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Startup Puts Everything You Need for a Two-Acre Farm in a Shipping Container

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Re: Startup Puts Everything You Need for a Two-Acre Farm in a Shipping Container

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Unless they put the farmbot on wheels, you're talking about too small of a square footage to generate any interesting yields. You'll spend WAY more time maintaining the bot than you would just planting and mulching. The farmbot development is important, but won't be commercially viable with the current fixed rail system.

Well that is what I'm wondering. One of the big issues is real estate. I wonder if it would be more viable instead of just going 2D to make a more 3D system (ie stack plants ala hydroponics). Obviously the sun is way more efficient and preferred but if you live in an area where the sun isn't exactly available that much of the year it might be worth it for some automated easy to use large indoor like closet system or…

As much as it's fun to think about, food doesn't need to be grown in urban areas with expensive real estate.

Green houses and hydroponics are great, but they can just as well be done on cheap land.

The biggest difficulty in food production isn't land, water, and sunlight - its management at scale.

This is why the vast majority of everyone's calories comes from large tractor managed commodity crops.

As a metaphor, the easy part of IT is ordering the servers, switches, etc. The setup takes some labor, but the real difficulty is the ongoing management.

Re: Startup Puts Everything You Need for a Two-Acre Farm in a Shipping Container

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>...and even individuals who want to start a farm. As a person who lives in a farming area this seems like putting a computer and a box of red bull in a box and labeling it "computer programmer kit". I'm not a farmer but things like crop rotation, regulations, WHIMIS (pesticides/herbicides), dangers such as the PTO on the tractor and other farm dangers all needed training. You see at least once per year some farm han…

Anyone remember Sun's "blackbox?"

https://www.engadget.com/2006/10/18/suns-project-blackbox-da...

I can't find the original stuff anymore, the "martian picture" was actually in Sun's collateral on their website though. You can't make stuff like that up. There is a certain magic when a corporation with real money produces that kind of marketing buzz. I vaguely remember a picture of a Katrina-like situation with a black box too, cause you need processing power when the city floods and people are dying, I can't remember if that was part of the official messaging or not, maybe I just dreamed it up..

There is absolutely some appeal to full turn-key looking solutions for things that pretty clearly don't have them. It strikes me a perfect "inside the echochamber" thinking to dream up a farm in a box like this. I'd bet not everyone on the design team even has a home garden. Sometimes they day dream up a new paradigm and a lot of times it's just pretty marketing buzz. 2 acre open field farming doesn't seem like a good fit, I could see some success if this was scaled in to modular green house farming or something like that, maybe more on the gardening scale than the farming one.

Re: Startup Puts Everything You Need for a Two-Acre Farm in a Shipping Container

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> All of those things affect the ultimate price of the box, and that’s why we have a range from about $50,000 to $60,000. If you were to a la carte all the different components that we put into this kit, it would end up costing you more than what we’re charging. I seriously doubt that. $50k for what appears to basically be 2 acres of irrigation equipment and a solar-powered raspberry pi is absurd. It also looks like…

I agree that skepticism is warranted especially since its not clear what is included but I think the idea could have merit. The key value it could provide is time savings on getting the farm up and running. The time between putting money down on land and equipment and getting revenue flowing is crucial for any business, with farming being more unforgiving than most. If this product allows a farmer to cut the time to acquire and integrate most of the pieces they need then that's quite valuable.

Re: Startup Puts Everything You Need for a Two-Acre Farm in a Shipping Container

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>...and even individuals who want to start a farm. As a person who lives in a farming area this seems like putting a computer and a box of red bull in a box and labeling it "computer programmer kit". I'm not a farmer but things like crop rotation, regulations, WHIMIS (pesticides/herbicides), dangers such as the PTO on the tractor and other farm dangers all needed training. You see at least once per year some farm han…

I'm always sort of resistant to this type of thinking. You're not wrong, but if people are defeated because this kit tries to simplify some aspects of a difficult and experience driven process, then that's sad.

New things are hard. People should still try them. Also when I was a kid my dad basically did give me a box of computer parts, sans red bull, and said have it - and I broke it. I bent pins, I had to format, when I finally got it running I upgraded it and broke it again. Eventually I figured it out and here I am.

Re: Startup Puts Everything You Need for a Two-Acre Farm in a Shipping Container

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I love the idea, but as a fairly well-off hobby farmer myself, there is no way I would spend that much on this product. I bought 1 mile of drip tape for $150 off of https://www.berryhilldrip.com Solar panels are a cheap commodity. There are charge controllers which will only turn on the DC if you're over a certain voltage for the pump. Again, I love the idea, but its way off on execution at this point.

Even if the parts were very optimized price/performance wise, would it still be a good idea? I would imagine that each place has a specific biome that is suitable for specific crops, each person has a different amount of acrerage, etc.

You're right that situations are individual - but actually the water distribution side of things can be fairly generic.

But note that drip tape is incompatible with tractor-based agriculture and will only be used with perennial or labor intensive annual crops.

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I probably spent $50k in my first two years on my farm. * 30 HP tractor - $14k * brushhog, back blade, cone spreader, log splitter - $3k * 1,000 ft^2 greenhouse - $5k * water to greenhouse - $5k * haying equipment (baler, tedder, disk mower, rake) - $5.5k * buckets, pails, tubs, lights, etc for livestock - $1k * hoses, hand tools, etc. - $1k * drip irrigation, raised beds, soil tests, etc. - $1k * fencing materials -…

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Re: Startup Puts Everything You Need for a Two-Acre Farm in a Shipping Container

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>...and even individuals who want to start a farm. As a person who lives in a farming area this seems like putting a computer and a box of red bull in a box and labeling it "computer programmer kit". I'm not a farmer but things like crop rotation, regulations, WHIMIS (pesticides/herbicides), dangers such as the PTO on the tractor and other farm dangers all needed training. You see at least once per year some farm han…

>dangers such as the PTO on the tractor

Never mind the PTO , watch out for the hydraulics on the tractor...

Re: Startup Puts Everything You Need for a Two-Acre Farm in a Shipping Container

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I would say corn, then potato. But you're right, the startup isn't being all that forthcoming with details and it's likely their claims are (greatly) exaggerated, or perhaps, from a purely "well, technically..." point-of-view. There's an excellent article that champions the calories-per-acre metric by WP: https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/food/in-defense-of-... In the calorie department, corn is king [..] corn…

If I was designing a two-acre farm to feed my family, I wouldn't devote much space to corn. Corn is a very useful crop but mostly once it's processed and you need a lot of it. Here's what I think I'd grow: Potatoes - Incredibly easy to grow. Produces a ton of food. Can be grown in trash cans on otherwise unusable land. Very versatile and useful in so many cuisines. If I had to place my bets on one staple crop, it's p…

> Potatoes - Incredibly easy to grow.

I lost my entire crop to the Colorado Potato Beetle https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colorado_potato_beetle in 2016.

Note: "However, many chemicals are often unsuccessful when used against this pest because of the beetle's ability to rapidly develop insecticide resistance."

If that was my staple crop, I'd be dead of starvation right about now.

Re: Startup Puts Everything You Need for a Two-Acre Farm in a Shipping Container

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> All of those things affect the ultimate price of the box, and that’s why we have a range from about $50,000 to $60,000. If you were to a la carte all the different components that we put into this kit, it would end up costing you more than what we’re charging. I seriously doubt that. $50k for what appears to basically be 2 acres of irrigation equipment and a solar-powered raspberry pi is absurd. It also looks like…

> It also looks like they've so far deployed exactly 1 of these setups in the real world and haven't even really started producing units for sale. Right now this venture is a complete pipe dream and feels awfully out of touch. So what you're saying is they posted it to the right forum? Not making fun of hacker news, but it is literally a forum for not-yet-validated startup ideas.

You forgot it also being a forum for ideas that have no concept of how they're going to generate revenue in the first place. This would probably get a positive outlook if it were made free and planned on monetizing by selling solar to the grid after it blew through five years of VC funding or something.

Re: Startup Puts Everything You Need for a Two-Acre Farm in a Shipping Container

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>...and even individuals who want to start a farm. As a person who lives in a farming area this seems like putting a computer and a box of red bull in a box and labeling it "computer programmer kit". I'm not a farmer but things like crop rotation, regulations, WHIMIS (pesticides/herbicides), dangers such as the PTO on the tractor and other farm dangers all needed training. You see at least once per year some farm han…

>We have a three-part training program that comes with the box. One: Covering sustainable farming, making sure everyone knows a little bit in terms of crop rotation, and composting, and intercropping. Two: Covering technology use and maintenance, making sure that the individuals know how to maintain and troubleshoot all of the components of the farm. Three: Farming as an enterprise, making sure that there is a market…

Just gonna get my feet wet with a small two-acre farm, which is supposedly able to feed 150 people.
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