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Study: carpooling apps could reduce traffic 3x in NYC

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Re: Study: carpooling apps could reduce traffic 3x in NYC

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And a grid of regular bus service could replace every car in LA. That'd be a harder sell though.

beyond regular you need a bus service which can quickly adapt to changing needs and you need safe places where people can leave their cars to use the service to get deeper into town. you also need to convey and absolute sense of safety for the service.

in the end, routes cannot just end because it is deemed to be too few people across certain hours. they must always be a guarantee of service at all hours.

Re: Study: carpooling apps could reduce traffic 3x in NYC

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Not so fast though. Comparing Paris to LA isn't quite fair. Paris is about six times denser than LA and therefore creating a competitive public transportation network is quite a bit cheaper there.

And LA was built largely with cars in mind, with sprawling suburbs and big highways splicing the city, was it not?

Originally designed with trains/streetcars in mind, actually. Look up the Red Cars.

Re: Study: carpooling apps could reduce traffic 3x in NYC

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In India I experienced low tech ride sharing. You stand at an intersection and a three wheeler asks you where you're going. You get in, and the driver heads to a major intersection near your destination. Along the way he asks other people standing at intersections if they are going his way, and if they are they pile in. The more people he stuffs into his three wheeler the more money he makes per trip. It was an unple…

+1 for 'it was an unpleasant ride'. I think that's the biggest friction point many ride sharing apps face.

Re: Study: carpooling apps could reduce traffic 3x in NYC

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New York City includes Brooklyn, Queens, Bronx and Staten Island as well. Misleading title and perhaps incomplete study if footprint of cabs is not included from those remaining boroughs in this study. If you live in Manhattan, then you don't use cabs as much within Manhattan because subways cover Manhattan pretty well and travel times in cabs are hellish comparing to subway commute. You often use cabs when you commu…

> travel times in cabs are hellish comparing to subway commute

Isn't this because of road congestion though? I thought the principle behind the study was to remove all cars except those 3,000 ride sharing vehicles.

Re: Study: carpooling apps could reduce traffic 3x in NYC

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Yeah but I bet you can't name 15 cities larger than LA that depend on an outdated tech like trains. When's the last time you saw one of those at TechCrunch Disrupt? Seriously though, this is a solved problem everywhere but major US cities. Paris - which once loved cars - has totally changed over to being bus, bike, and train promoting, and it works.

Except in Paris there are so many cars in use, causing such a huge amount of pollution, that the government had to ban half the cars in Paris from driving on certain days last year.

Isn't the main issue of Paris the lack of wind to blow the pollution away? Combined maybe with the high number of diesel cars? I don't think you'd see this level of pollution in a city like NYC, or really any city near the coast, simply because of the wind.

Re: Study: carpooling apps could reduce traffic 3x in NYC

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It's very hard to "fix" land use once the land is already "in use". Much harder than before the land is developed, at least. LA seems to be doing the right thing: build subway lines/high-density transit, even if it "goes nowhere," and the density will follow.

It's very hard to "fix" land use once the land is already "in use". Relaxing zoning to allow people to expand or rebuild more densely on existing lots would go pretty far in high-demand areas.

Zoning is the issue in some cities, but sometimes it isn't the root problem.

Robert Caro gets into this a little bit in his book "The Power Broker" describing Robert Moses' development of highways in NYC: basically, if you build a highway before you build a subway line, the resulting area will be developed in a low-density pattern (regardless of zoning), as the "last mile" of driving is much less difficult than the "last mile" on foot, coming off a train.

If you look at NYC in particular, this happened in eastern Queens -- the highways were built (with poor public transit coverage) and the properties were developed in a low density pattern.

This cannot be fixed by simply building more high-density housing (despite the massive city-wide demand for housing), because no transit exists. But you cannot build new transit because it's a political nightmare: current residents will complain that you're disrupting their neighborhood, and city residents elsewhere will complain that your new transit development doesn't "go anywhere useful."

From what I saw in LA when I visited a few weeks ago, much of the new systems of transit serve (a) large office campuses (I was regularly taking the metro at Universal City) and (b) non-commuter destinations such as Hollywood (for tourism) and the airport. The result, as pointed out to me by an Uber driver, was a huge explosion of development in Downtown LA. The newest line in LA, the Expo Line to Santa Monica, seems more commuter focused -- perhaps it is serving the new residential population moving into DTLA?

Eastern Queens, unfortunately, doesn't have the luxury of important destinations or office campuses. It's overshadowed by Manhattan in terms of tourism, and Moses built the Long Island-bound highways specifically to prevent the sorts of development that would lead to Long Island becoming a commuter destination rather than a residential community. Thus, Queens is trapped in this residential catch 22, and not even rezoning can fix it. The only solutions I can see involve closing down lanes of highway to obtain right-of-way for transit (the overpasses were intentionally built too low to support bus service, so it'd be a permanent closure), a sure path to political suicide in an area utterly dependent on its highways.

Re: Study: carpooling apps could reduce traffic 3x in NYC

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New York City includes Brooklyn, Queens, Bronx and Staten Island as well. Misleading title and perhaps incomplete study if footprint of cabs is not included from those remaining boroughs in this study. If you live in Manhattan, then you don't use cabs as much within Manhattan because subways cover Manhattan pretty well and travel times in cabs are hellish comparing to subway commute. You often use cabs when you commu…

> travel times in cabs are hellish comparing to subway commute Isn't this because of road congestion though? I thought the principle behind the study was to remove all cars except those 3,000 ride sharing vehicles.

I think it has more to do with how close the intersections are. Even in no traffic, you have to stop at a light every minute or so.

Re: Study: carpooling apps could reduce traffic 3x in NYC

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's very hard to "fix" land use once the land is already "in use". Much harder than before the land is developed, at least. LA seems to be doing the right thing: build subway lines/high-density transit, even if it "goes nowhere," and the density will follow.

It's very hard to "fix" land use once the land is already "in use". Relaxing zoning to allow people to expand or rebuild more densely on existing lots would go pretty far in high-demand areas.

And tighten zoning on the periphery to encourage density in the core.

I live on the periphery of a major urban area and regularly see farmland/woods being turned into senior housing/single family homes/strip malls/banks etc. Some of it is needed but some of it just seems unnecessary. Why not build senior housing closer in where there are better public transportation options and amenities?

Re: Study: carpooling apps could reduce traffic 3x in NYC

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In India I experienced low tech ride sharing. You stand at an intersection and a three wheeler asks you where you're going. You get in, and the driver heads to a major intersection near your destination. Along the way he asks other people standing at intersections if they are going his way, and if they are they pile in. The more people he stuffs into his three wheeler the more money he makes per trip. It was an unple…

+1 for 'it was an unpleasant ride'. I think that's the biggest friction point many ride sharing apps face.

Subways are also an unpleasant ride at the moment. But if it is cheap enough, why not?

Re: Study: carpooling apps could reduce traffic 3x in NYC

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In India I experienced low tech ride sharing. You stand at an intersection and a three wheeler asks you where you're going. You get in, and the driver heads to a major intersection near your destination. Along the way he asks other people standing at intersections if they are going his way, and if they are they pile in. The more people he stuffs into his three wheeler the more money he makes per trip. It was an unple…

In terms of reducing traffic, these shared three-wheelers, to pick-up/drop-off more rides, stop just about anywhere. At-least, that was the case in Noida and Greater Noida (cities right next to Delhi). Around certain regions, they were primary reason for traffic-jams.
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