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Study: carpooling apps could reduce traffic 3x in NYC

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Re: Study: carpooling apps could reduce traffic 3x in NYC

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Post by Fricken »

jcfrei wrote: post #6
JBReefer wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah but I bet you can't name 15 cities larger than LA that depend on an outdated tech like trains. When's the last time you saw one of those at TechCrunch Disrupt? Seriously though, this is a solved problem everywhere but major US cities. Paris - which once loved cars - has totally changed over to being bus, bike, and train promoting, and it works.

Not so fast though. Comparing Paris to LA isn't quite fair. Paris is about six times denser than LA and therefore creating a competitive public transportation network is quite a bit cheaper there.

That's the problem with most american cities- grossly inefficient land use policy. Fix land use and effective transportation becomes an afterthought.

Re: Study: carpooling apps could reduce traffic 3x in NYC

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Post by dmix »

jcfrei wrote: post #6
JBReefer wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah but I bet you can't name 15 cities larger than LA that depend on an outdated tech like trains. When's the last time you saw one of those at TechCrunch Disrupt? Seriously though, this is a solved problem everywhere but major US cities. Paris - which once loved cars - has totally changed over to being bus, bike, and train promoting, and it works.

Not so fast though. Comparing Paris to LA isn't quite fair. Paris is about six times denser than LA and therefore creating a competitive public transportation network is quite a bit cheaper there.

And LA was built largely with cars in mind, with sprawling suburbs and big highways splicing the city, was it not?

Re: Study: carpooling apps could reduce traffic 3x in NYC

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chongli wrote: post #15
cashmonkey85 wrote: post #11

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I see this in Tokyo. Americans just stuck at home, stranded and helpless because of their culturally reasons. Oh no wait they just use the awesome public transport system. But it's very difficult for them to enjoy such efficience because...you..know...culture

Huh? Americans don't have a cultural aversion to using world class public transit when in a place like Tokyo. They have a cultural aversion to altering their cities in the radical ways that'd be necessary to build a functional public transit. They call this NIMBY.

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Re: Study: carpooling apps could reduce traffic 3x in NYC

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Post by nerfhammer »

ebiester wrote: post #12

I think America should look into the point to point system that Istanbul developed (and likely other places) called the dolmuş. These are 10 seat cars where people split the price to move along one line. (People will usually go end to end, but can get out along the ride as desired.) The route never deviates as to provide predictability. That said, most people take cabs because they don't want to be around other peopl…

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dollar_van

Re: Study: carpooling apps could reduce traffic 3x in NYC

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Post by [deleted] »

JBReefer wrote: post #3
JoeAltmaier wrote: post #2

And a grid of regular bus service could replace every car in LA. That'd be a harder sell though.

Yeah but I bet you can't name 15 cities larger than LA that depend on an outdated tech like trains. When's the last time you saw one of those at TechCrunch Disrupt? Seriously though, this is a solved problem everywhere but major US cities. Paris - which once loved cars - has totally changed over to being bus, bike, and train promoting, and it works.

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Re: Study: carpooling apps could reduce traffic 3x in NYC

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Post by Retric »

chongli wrote: post #15
cashmonkey85 wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I see this in Tokyo. Americans just stuck at home, stranded and helpless because of their culturally reasons. Oh no wait they just use the awesome public transport system. But it's very difficult for them to enjoy such efficience because...you..know...culture

Huh? Americans don't have a cultural aversion to using world class public transit when in a place like Tokyo. They have a cultural aversion to altering their cities in the radical ways that'd be necessary to build a functional public transit. They call this NIMBY.

[citation needed] people in power have a problem with it. In large part because it takes to long to build to fit into a normal election cycle.

However, subways for example are heavily utilized when they are useful.

Re: Study: carpooling apps could reduce traffic 3x in NYC

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Post by dmix »

geofft wrote: post #16
ebiester wrote: post #12

I think America should look into the point to point system that Istanbul developed (and likely other places) called the dolmuş. These are 10 seat cars where people split the price to move along one line. (People will usually go end to end, but can get out along the ride as desired.) The route never deviates as to provide predictability. That said, most people take cabs because they don't want to be around other peopl…

Apart from the subway and bus systems in New York, we have the 10-seat-car-on-a-fixed-route system too: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dollar_vans_in_the_New_York_me... Most of the time in NYC when I take a cab, it's because there isn't sufficient subway or bus coverage for the route I want: either I'm going to/from somewhere deep into Brooklyn or Queens where it's a 10+ minute walk to the nearest subway (and I'll nee…

> The New York City-area dollar van system is highly used, and in 2011, it was rated the 20th most used "bus system" in the United States. The dollar van and jitney system has been praised as "quietly disruptive" as compared to other ride-share services, such as Uber. This has allowed the vans to operate without being restricted by the Taxi and Limousine Commission (TLC).

That's very interesting, it fills a void during public worker strikes spontaneously and ends up being a widely popular service. Thanks for the link.

Re: Study: carpooling apps could reduce traffic 3x in NYC

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Post by jozzz »

JBReefer wrote: post #3
JoeAltmaier wrote: post #2

And a grid of regular bus service could replace every car in LA. That'd be a harder sell though.

Yeah but I bet you can't name 15 cities larger than LA that depend on an outdated tech like trains. When's the last time you saw one of those at TechCrunch Disrupt? Seriously though, this is a solved problem everywhere but major US cities. Paris - which once loved cars - has totally changed over to being bus, bike, and train promoting, and it works.

Except in Paris there are so many cars in use, causing such a huge amount of pollution, that the government had to ban half the cars in Paris from driving on certain days last year.
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