Is there some sort of metric out there that quantifies the number or percentage of people that care enough about privacy to drop out of Facebook in disgust? What if FB is right and most people don't care about comprehensive privacy features? It may simply be enough for FB to keep random stalkers and identity thieves away. It's easy to imagine that the Ebay effect will stick to FB and it'll be the only heavyweight social network site around for some time.
Facebook’s Gone Rogue; It’s Time for an Open Alternative
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#52> I’d like to make my friend list private. Cannot. > I’d like to have my profile visible only to my friends, not my boss. Cannot. > I’d like to support an anti-abortion group without my mother or the world knowing. Cannot. Great examples of what Facebook cannot do, and what the Facebook replacement must do.
Good article. Reinforces some of the suggestions given on Facebook And Twitter Will Always Be Crappy Businesses http://bit.ly/cMiQLa
I think (hope) that Twitter has found (and realizes that it has found) a niche for itself in the 'what is happening now' part of the web. If they can focus on this, they might have a shot at becoming successfu.
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#53> I’d like to make my friend list private. Cannot. > I’d like to have my profile visible only to my friends, not my boss. Cannot. > I’d like to support an anti-abortion group without my mother or the world knowing. Cannot. Great examples of what Facebook cannot do, and what the Facebook replacement must do.
A. Go to profile -> down to friends list -> click on the pencil -> Remove the tick in the box (Will still show mutual friends though) B. Change your privacy settings, Make it so you can only be found by searching certain things (eg: email address), Block your boss C. Unfortunately not (yet?)
It is always technically 'possible,' to figure out how to make Facebook's privacy settings match yours, the fact that there are forum posts and blog posts like yours show that Facebook on some level is doing it wrong with privacy. Granted Facebook is a huge network, but if they are going to succeed, they need to match privacy with as much intuitiveness and perfectness as Google manages search results.
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#54> I’d like to make my friend list private. Cannot. > I’d like to have my profile visible only to my friends, not my boss. Cannot. > I’d like to support an anti-abortion group without my mother or the world knowing. Cannot. Great examples of what Facebook cannot do, and what the Facebook replacement must do.
I wonder how could any Facebook replacement (or Facebook itself) allow somebody to support some group while not telling anyone. Of course it's possible, donate some money, do some job for them, but… on Facebook or something like Facebook? How?
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#55Yea let's get an open alternative, a few years of coding, a few years of Facebook screwing up, a massive hatefest, and it will have 30% penetration in 2018. By then there will be new technologies that will make the issue irrelevant. Same as Linux and Firefox. By the time the community effort got it together, most of the effort was obsolete. Google's Chrome OS throws much of linux away. NativeClient sandboxing turns b…
Interesting that you claim the efforts that have gone into developing Linux are now obsolete yet Chrome OS (which your offer will transcend "obsolete" Linux development) still depends on Linux as does a huge portion of the web. Human progress is largely evolutionary and incremental. We stand on all that came before us. Facebook brought a new concept of interaction that has a downside many people are against. They add…
> Interesting that you claim the efforts that have gone into developing Linux are now obsolete
reminds me of OS X and BSD, Webkit and KHTML.
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#56I think it's actually time that FaceBook got shut down. By law.
Re: Facebook’s Gone Rogue; It’s Time for an Open Alternative
#57Yea let's get an open alternative, a few years of coding, a few years of Facebook screwing up, a massive hatefest, and it will have 30% penetration in 2018. By then there will be new technologies that will make the issue irrelevant. Same as Linux and Firefox. By the time the community effort got it together, most of the effort was obsolete. Google's Chrome OS throws much of linux away. NativeClient sandboxing turns b…
FWIW, I have written a facebook clone in Common Lisp and took me 2 months. It has profile pages, a platform for 3rd party apps, elaborate RBAC-based security, and a rudimentary service API. If anybody wants to take this in some direction, I am more than happy to come aboard.
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#58What I'd like is distributed p2p linking. No personal data on a server that isn't yours. Any of your data hosted on a third party site if you choose so, is encrypted to within an inch of its life: they can't do ANYTHING with it except forward it to whoever you designate. Venn diagrams for your social graph. Or trees. Preferably both. If Yelp/Microsoft/whoever wants my data, they become a member of my social graph, no…
"What I'd like is distributed p2p linking. No personal data on a server that isn't yours." - This is exactly right. do, Currently my personal photos,emails etc. all run from a server hosted in my closet and when i need to share stuff i send a link by email. A distributed p2p linking will make things so much more easier.
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#59Earlier quoted context omitted.
A. Go to profile -> down to friends list -> click on the pencil -> Remove the tick in the box (Will still show mutual friends though) B. Change your privacy settings, Make it so you can only be found by searching certain things (eg: email address), Block your boss C. Unfortunately not (yet?)
It is always technically 'possible,' to figure out how to make Facebook's privacy settings match yours, the fact that there are forum posts and blog posts like yours show that Facebook on some level is doing it wrong with privacy. Granted Facebook is a huge network, but if they are going to succeed, they need to match privacy with as much intuitiveness and perfectness as Google manages search results.
Not to defend Facebook per se, but "managing privacy intuitively" is hell of a user interaction problem. I don't know any design that could encompass all the complexity of human social interaction and privacy issues related to it intuitively.
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#60I think it's actually time that FaceBook got shut down. By law.
On what legal basis? It's just a website that you can use if you like. I think Facebook is actually very useful because they are so openly nasty, disrespectful and deceptive. Their users are, on average, so incredibly negligent and clueless that the whole thing will blow up in society's face eventually, and then much better sites (maybe even a reformed Facebook) will emerge.