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Facebook’s Gone Rogue; It’s Time for an Open Alternative

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Re: Facebook’s Gone Rogue; It’s Time for an Open Alternative

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"It’s time the rest of the web ecosystem recognizes this and works to replace it with something open and distributed." Before Facebook there was FOAF, which was exactly the same except for that it was open and distributed... And nobody used it. Being closed is the only thing that makes Facebook good.

Yes, but what standards typically lack in innovation traction, they more than make up for in 800-pound-gorilla disruption.

Re: Facebook’s Gone Rogue; It’s Time for an Open Alternative

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post #5

"It’s time the rest of the web ecosystem recognizes this and works to replace it with something open and distributed." Before Facebook there was FOAF, which was exactly the same except for that it was open and distributed... And nobody used it. Being closed is the only thing that makes Facebook good.

Presenting itself initially as Harvard's yearbook is what made it good, as it kickstarted its network effects (everyone feels sort of obligated to be "in the yearbook," because they want to imagine they will be reminisced about.) I've seen FOAF profiles, but I've never seen a FOAF network.

Re: Facebook’s Gone Rogue; It’s Time for an Open Alternative

#13
Other than your "pages" being totally public with no option to hide them from your public profile period and facebook's "new experience" program being OPT-OUT instead of OPT-IN I don't have too many issues with facebook's privacy. Configuring privacy settings the way I wanted them wasn't that complicated, I feel like this article may be blowing things out of proportion...

Re: Facebook’s Gone Rogue; It’s Time for an Open Alternative

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post #5

"It’s time the rest of the web ecosystem recognizes this and works to replace it with something open and distributed." Before Facebook there was FOAF, which was exactly the same except for that it was open and distributed... And nobody used it. Being closed is the only thing that makes Facebook good.

I agree, but the point of being closed was the privacy. I have always believed that the secret to Facebook's success was the privacy. You were among your friends. Yeah, it wasn't private in the secure sense -- it wasn't secure enough to stop a determined stalker, let alone the FBI -- but it provided a social space that was different from just spewing stuff all over the open web.

Now that they appear to have given up that angle and replaced it with an unpredictable tangle of spurious logic that, yes, spews stuff haphazardly all over the open web, why not just publish your updates in the open?

What needs to happen now is that someone needs to go into Facebook's old business, the one they have apparently abandoned. Where is the closed service that makes a best-effort attempt to provide an invite-only social space for myself and my friends?

Re: Facebook’s Gone Rogue; It’s Time for an Open Alternative

#15
Yea let's get an open alternative, a few years of coding, a few years of Facebook screwing up, a massive hatefest, and it will have 30% penetration in 2018. By then there will be new technologies that will make the issue irrelevant.

Same as Linux and Firefox. By the time the community effort got it together, most of the effort was obsolete. Google's Chrome OS throws much of linux away. NativeClient sandboxing turns browsers and plugins into frameworks of choice, like jQuery.

There has to be a more efficient way.

Re: Facebook’s Gone Rogue; It’s Time for an Open Alternative

#16
I've been thinking about doing some kind of distributed/open social network thing what with all the Facebook scandals cropping up, but it's pretty hard to do.

The fact is for something like Facebook to function smoothly, it has to be centralized. There has to be a server somewhere out there that can be queried reliably for this data and that's the bottom line, even if you have something API-based like OpenSocial. It's just a matter of who you're going to trust with that data -- and as we see over and over again, money and power clouds judgment; a good candidate to control this network when it's starting out may not hold up so well under the barrages of billions in revenue and investors down the neck.

The only way for users to have real control over their data is to build some P2P/self-hosting architecture, and for reasons all HN readers understand, this would be a huge, huge mess.

Re: Facebook’s Gone Rogue; It’s Time for an Open Alternative

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post #12
post #5

"It’s time the rest of the web ecosystem recognizes this and works to replace it with something open and distributed." Before Facebook there was FOAF, which was exactly the same except for that it was open and distributed... And nobody used it. Being closed is the only thing that makes Facebook good.

Presenting itself initially as Harvard's yearbook is what made it good, as it kickstarted its network effects (everyone feels sort of obligated to be "in the yearbook," because they want to imagine they will be reminisced about.) I've seen FOAF profiles, but I've never seen a FOAF network .

"I've seen FOAF profiles, but I've never seen a FOAF network."

Yeah, because no one is going to give 700 million dollars to a bunch of hippies to make some internet commune.

Re: Facebook’s Gone Rogue; It’s Time for an Open Alternative

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My take: ignore the hype, watch people freak out and run around, and if it turns out it is a truly bad apple, pull out when I know for sure.

Not because I have a vested interest in them, but I don't have any info I need to keep private (I make sure of this) and I am not one to buy into hype and running around with your hands in the air.

Go ahead, downvote me for not being a Facebook alarmist. I do apologize though if I put it too curtly.

Re: Facebook’s Gone Rogue; It’s Time for an Open Alternative

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post #2

Can someone show evidence of this statement? "Now, say you you write a public update, saying, “My boss had a crazy great idea for a new product!” Now, you might not know it, but there is a Facebook page for “My Crazy Boss” and because your post had all the right words, your post now shows up on that page. Include the words “FBI” or “CIA,” and you show up on the FBI or CIA page." That is scary.

Facebook has had stream search for public status messages since July of 2009. Stream search is privacy-neutral; it only lets you see posts you were already allowed to see.

If you don't want your status messages to be visible to everyone, set your privacy settings accordingly. Account -> Privacy Settings -> Personal Information and Posts and adjust the "Posts by Me" setting to whatever you like.

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