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I'm at Fog Creek, and we're introducing Gomix

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Re: I'm at Fog Creek, and we're introducing Gomix

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Post by hnbro »

smikhanov wrote: post #57
mistermann wrote: post #16

Considering there are probably many thousands of developer hours invested in this, I hope Fog Creek invests ten or thirty hours into making some quick and dirty youtube videos showing starting from scratch and building out a a few full apps with persistence, some integrations, etc so we can see what that involves. I still don't completely understand what GoMix is exactly from the video shown here.

No, please, not a video — this is the most inefficient way of conveying information about a product aimed at developers. Just write a well-structured text tutorial.

"efficient" is an overloaded term, and depending on your meaning it's not something everyone's pursuing.

Re: I'm at Fog Creek, and we're introducing Gomix

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Post by hashhar »

nzjrs wrote: post #79
te_chris wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yawn. Does this genre of comment have to be top of every thread?

It's warranted in this case as it's responding to the worst launch post I can recall reading.

This is actually not the launch post. This is the launch post [1].

1: https://www.joelonsoftware.com/2016/05/31/introducing-hyperd...

Re: I'm at Fog Creek, and we're introducing Gomix

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Post by WhitneyLand »

Stratoscope wrote: post #32

Anil, I don't know you, and you certainly don't know me. But I have a word of advice. When you join a company a few weeks before it releases a new software product, have the humility to admit that you had precious little to do with it. Don't write about yourself, at all! Write about the product, what it can do for me, and the amazing team who built it. I'm going to go way out of line and do a bit of a hatchet job on…

I have to disagree, this feels like piling on. Let me add lack of humility and narcissism really peeve me but I just didn't get that from his post.

Remember, the article was in fact meant to be about his new role. The title starts out "I'm at Fog Creek...". Given that he's within scope with what he wrote.

Personally, I would never list celebrities that have retweeted me and recoil at even the thought of doing such a thing. But we have to interpret things as generously as possible. I know people who would talk about Prince retweeting them just as a matter of fact thing that seemed cool to take note of.

Re: I'm at Fog Creek, and we're introducing Gomix

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Post by WhitneyLand »

jc4p wrote: post #18

I love Gomix. I spent the past weekend helping a friend migrate a static front-end only CSS skin they had made over to a live server on Gomix. That friend has moved onto running webpack and babel locally to do more advanced stuff, but Gomix was a godsend in helping demonstrate to him that the problemspace isn't as horrifyingly large as he expected. We communicated and "code reviewed" via writing comments to each othe…

You need to point out conflicts of interest right at the front or right at the end of your comments, not buried in the middle somewhere.

I fully believe you had no ill intent. It's just that bending over backward to make it clear strengthens your viewpoint.

Re: I'm at Fog Creek, and we're introducing Gomix

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Post by WhitneyLand »

jc4p wrote: post #195
therein wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This sounds forced/scripted beyond belief. It really reads like an Amazon review written in exchange of a product: > I love my FooBar 2001. I spent the past weekend migrating my dishwasher's contents into my new FooBar 2001 and it was a very pleasant experience. I was intimidated by how much work it would be at first but to my surprise it was A BREEZE. I'm so happy now with my new Foobar 2001 that I will probably use…

I mean... I work for a related company (as mentioned in the post)... sorry for being excited about something they're working on? I just felt the need to comment because a lot of the comments remind me of my first impression of the product before I really gave it a chance. I was so angry they were working on it, they started working on it after a quiet period following the Fog Creek / Trello split and my first impress…

There ya go - should have started out your previous comment with this text. This one sounds much more honest and thoughtful.

Again, not questioning your ethics. Just trying help make your argument more impactful.

Re: I'm at Fog Creek, and we're introducing Gomix

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Post by yardie »

kpil wrote: post #74
smikhanov wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, please, not a video — this is the most inefficient way of conveying information about a product aimed at developers. Just write a well-structured text tutorial.

I have noticed that a lot of young people have never learned to read fast or skim large documents. My guess is that is the reason we're tortured with hours long videos with very little content.

And it's not searchable!

When I search a page I'm looking for a description and a bit of context. You might be able to search a video thanks to autotranscripts. Then you have to scrub to be sure the keyword is in the correct context.

Re: I'm at Fog Creek, and we're introducing Gomix

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Post by mistermann »

smikhanov wrote: post #57
mistermann wrote: post #16

Considering there are probably many thousands of developer hours invested in this, I hope Fog Creek invests ten or thirty hours into making some quick and dirty youtube videos showing starting from scratch and building out a a few full apps with persistence, some integrations, etc so we can see what that involves. I still don't completely understand what GoMix is exactly from the video shown here.

No, please, not a video — this is the most inefficient way of conveying information about a product aimed at developers. Just write a well-structured text tutorial.

For "getting a feel", I find video is fine. For actual learning, I agree not so efficient, but video can be excellent for deciding whether a person is interested in digging deeper.

Re: I'm at Fog Creek, and we're introducing Gomix

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Post by skybrian »

redsummer wrote: post #68

Anil Dash seems like a deeply creepy guy. He inserts race into everything: https://twitter.com/marcoarment/status/336853407698657280 He gets people fired for making jokes: http://archive.is/ddDFz I'm sure Gomix will have some level of success, though I have no idea what it is from his post - which just seems to be about how his is now CEO and all the glory is his. I wonder how his team feel about that? Perhaps some o…

re: "He gets people fired for making jokes"

This seems like putting a spin on things. Following a link in the article, you might want to read what Anil actually wrote (in particular, search for "Update"):

http://anildash.com/2013/09/my-meeting-with-pax.html

Re: I'm at Fog Creek, and we're introducing Gomix

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Post by WhitneyLand »

osium598 wrote: post #28
throwaway-17733 wrote: post #19

How many times can this blowhard say "I'm the CEO" in one blog post? He & his CEOness are not the story here.

Anil Dash is one of the most notorious social justice warriors in the tech world. It's unfortunate Fog Creek made him its CEO - I don't predict the company will flourish under him, since he seems more concerned with promoting an airy political agenda than with making good products. He's non-technical (I don't think he's ever written a line of code in his life, and knows next to nothing about the actual craft of build…

Point 1 is ridiculous. What company in the public eye would allow an exec to tweet the n* word, jesus, and sex acts all at the same time and do nothing about it?

Anil could have begged BI to forgive him and it wouldn't have helped. Pax placed a time bomb under his own bed with that tweet and it was destined to go off if BI ever found it.

Re: I'm at Fog Creek, and we're introducing Gomix

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Post by redindian75 »

blakeyrat wrote: post #180
facorreia wrote: post #157

> to stop coding from being an exclusionary priesthood for a small few Are there really people that see it that way? For me it's just the opposite, programming is a field that is easily accessible to anyone that's interested, with a very low entry bar. Since I learned to program when I was a teenager, by reading a book about the BASIC language and taking an introductory class where I could use a microcomputer, I have…

I see it that way. That attitude used to exist back in the 90s, with products like HyperCard, Filemaker, even Microsoft Access. There was a time when it was just expected that development software had a graphical interface builder for developers to use. (Heck, even IDEs for really difficult languages, like C++, had them.) But "real developers" crapped all over those tools, especially Access. And when "real developers…

Totally agree. GUI is derided as a child's toy and command line is the only "real" way. Polymer started working on a GUI builder, and finally went with a command line interface where we need to type mkdir, --g serve 0.0.0.0 sorts of commands. As a designer playing with concepts, this puts me in a totally different kind of mindspace and make me worry about arcane commands, not UX processes or concepts.
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