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The U.S. Will Surpass China as the No. 1 Country for Manufacturing by 2020

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Post by gech »

JonFish85 wrote: post #175
sulam wrote: post #156

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Think Africa. Vietnams is already too expensive. Mexico probably is, too.

Is Africa stable enough? I feel like South America has a better shot at this than Africa. Maybe in a few generations? Edited to add that I'm speaking in very broad terms, I know that Africa as a whole is enormous, but I don't think of any particular African nation as being stable enough to be able to support the infrastructure needed.

But think of all those hopeless souls that will work for nothing for businesses to take advantage of. It must be done, market demands it.

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Post by CydeWeys »

scottm84 wrote: post #180
am183 wrote: post #169

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Except both are Japanese companies?

Paper ownership and proximity ownership and value ownership are all very different things on that side of the planet. Both are Japanese companies in the American version of ownership. In the proximity version of ownership, both are pirate flags.

Japanese cars aren't manufactured in China. This isn't a tricky situation to unravel.

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Post by scottm84 »

ryhamz wrote: post #179
scottm84 wrote: post #162

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Subaru is a Chinese version of yakuza. They have cracked the market for sure. Also, mitsubishi can build rockets similar to anything spacex can put up.

That feel when you confuse China and Japan.

Zero confusion whatsoever. I've been over there and sat with them and talked about infrastructure and who gets to use it.

China would have very little reason to enter the broken US car market.

Especially when there is an island sitting right there that is close enough for them to buy their own Mitsubishi 787s

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Post by bsder »

beloch wrote: post #154
hacknat wrote: post #38

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> Although I hope it is true. I don't know if being a manufacturing powerhouse is actually all that exciting anymore. There aren't really that many jobs in manufacturing anymore. Some of Toyota's modern car plants employ a meager 1500 people which is about and order of magnitude decrease from what car plants used to employ. This las election was frustrating for this very reason everybody assumes getting manufacturing…

The article addresses this: "It's natural to look at the phenomenon of declining manufacturing employment as a political failure that can be rectified. But the fact that China has lost more manufacturing jobs than the U.S. over the past 20 years is a strong indication that playing hardball with the Chinese isn't going to do anything to increase employment in the United States. Rather than a political failure, the dec…

> On the bright side, more Americans are going to find out what living next to a modern chip fab plant is like.

A modern chip fab plant is one of the cleanest industries we have EVER produced.

Everything is really sealed, and even the "waste" gases are purer than what you get directly from most industrial suppliers. It used to be that most of these plants immediately dump industrial gases into their waste stream and purify them to the level they need.

This is different from a PCB manufacturing plant which creates lots of liquid waste that is contaminated with all manner of nasty metals.

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Post by accurrent »

coliveira wrote: post #63
hacknat wrote: post #38

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> Although I hope it is true. I don't know if being a manufacturing powerhouse is actually all that exciting anymore. There aren't really that many jobs in manufacturing anymore. Some of Toyota's modern car plants employ a meager 1500 people which is about and order of magnitude decrease from what car plants used to employ. This las election was frustrating for this very reason everybody assumes getting manufacturing…

Producing our own food is not exciting either, but would you like to live in a place that produces no food and has to import 100% of what is needed to survive? This is the same thing here. Manufacturing is not a sexy activity anymore, but it is necessary, as long as we still live in a physical (non-virtual) world.

Singapore?

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Post by greglindahl »

greedo wrote: post #143
blakeyrat wrote: post #106

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The big question is what happens when the Chinese government puts a high priority on getting into aerospace and tries to replicate their own 787s or A-350s. That said, Boeing's defense contracts might keep is secure regardless of what happens in civil aviation. United Airlines might buy a plane from China (in a decade), but the US Navy certainly wouldn't.

China has been trying to improve their commercial air industry, but engines have been a problem, both for their airliners and their military jets.

Which is why the single-aisle twin-engine commercial jetliner that China is already building uses foreign engines.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comac_C919

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Post by seanmcdirmid »

malka wrote: post #83
fennecfoxen wrote: post #76

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> a place that produces no food and has to import 100% of what is needed to survive like, say, New York City? Sure! No, the rooftop garden on the Park Slope Whole Foods does not count.

Ny is not in a position where the people whom feed it could use it as a leverage in diplomatic relationships

NYC was actually very pro confederacy at the very beginning of the civil war because they were so economically dependent on the south.

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Post by blhack »

gnopgnip wrote: post #166
blhack wrote: post #164

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The problem with digikey (in my mind, as a hobbyist) is that you don't actually know the total until after the order has shipped.

This is a problem with shipping with Fedex too. There are a bunch of variable charges that aren't finalized until after the shipment has been delivered. In practice it is rarely and issue and using post paid labels instead of prepaid shipping labels is a better system for most businesses anyways. Is the order cost variable with digikey because the shipping weight is not known or is there another reason?

Im not sure.

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Post by [deleted] »

mc32 wrote: post #113
empath75 wrote: post #82

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Silicon Valley is called that because that's how it used to be. They actually made the chips there, and if you grew up there, you could get computer parts cheaply and easily. Jobs and Wozniak could build the Apple I in a garage only because of where they were.

Exactly this. North San Jose (the 237 triangle) used to have PCB, chip, chassis, component, etc., manufacturers in proximity to each other. Consider: Sun used to make and assemble their "workstations" over in the East Bay not far from the 237 triangle. As the late '90s approached much of that local manufacturing was off-shored to the Foxconns and Flextronics, etc. as well as overseas foundries.

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Post by Stratoscope »

adammunich wrote: post #140
apathy wrote: post #122

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shit, that was true as recently as 15 years ago, from personal experience. You can't just drive down 101 from SF and buy shit at Greybar anymore?

HSC, Anchor Electronics and Wierdstuff but that's about it

And Jameco, just off 101 in Belmont, and Fry's.
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