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Live display of CO2 emitted to produce electricity in European countries

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Re: Live display of CO2 emitted to produce electricity in European countries

#161

Wow, what's wrong with Poland? I guess they use a lot of coal to produce electricity..?

Nothing is wrong with Poland. If something is wrong then your ability to read presented data. It doesn't mean we are emitting more CO2 - for all colored map lovers see[1] CO2 emission per capita for Germany or other European countries before jumping to conclusions. [1] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:CO2_per_capita_per_c...

Nice, and straight to the point.

Re: Live display of CO2 emitted to produce electricity in European countries

#162
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I think the visualization is misleading, it seems to highlight energy mix rather than absolute numbers. eg Poland looks bad but Germany burns twice the amount of coal that Poland does. (Per head of population its probably about the same) Germany looks better because it has some other sources mixed in there.

This is what I thought as well. Adding a wind to this visualization touches a manipulation. In current data it makes no sense, and when we conciser absolute numbers (or even number/capita) it doesn't look so bad. https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4b/CO2_per_...

Re: Live display of CO2 emitted to produce electricity in European countries

#163

This is one of the great things we can do as developers. We can help society learn about the problems humanity faces. Creating amazing visualizations and experiences to educate the world and potentially encourage action to solve some of our biggest problems. Hopefully we can drive awareness and change together.

Power to the developers. I'm serious ;-). Even when I disagree with some arguments, all comments on HN are always very meaningful.

Re: Live display of CO2 emitted to produce electricity in European countries

#164

This is one of the great things we can do as developers. We can help society learn about the problems humanity faces. Creating amazing visualizations and experiences to educate the world and potentially encourage action to solve some of our biggest problems. Hopefully we can drive awareness and change together.

With the great power is connected a great responsibility to create a visualizations that don't manipulate data and show a meaningful information.

Re: Live display of CO2 emitted to produce electricity in European countries

#165
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Another Scotland recommendation- Ben Cruachan hydro dam has a nice visitor center. Its on the west coast. I work for Vandebron in the Netherlands. Some of our smaller producers are happy to show visitors around. It helps if you are one of the households they are supplying of course ;)

Ben Cruachan is great and free if you come by train. The walk up to the top is good on a nice day but not easy. I went in the summer and there's a photo at the bottom of this blog post: https://unop.uk/mobile-gb-rail-live-departure-boards/

Yes, I also climbed it once, on a fantastic clear summer day. The view was amazing, could see many of the islands from the summit. Would love to do it again sometime.

Re: Live display of CO2 emitted to produce electricity in European countries

#166
post #34

I think the visualization is misleading, it seems to highlight energy mix rather than absolute numbers. eg Poland looks bad but Germany burns twice the amount of coal that Poland does. (Per head of population its probably about the same) Germany looks better because it has some other sources mixed in there.

I think showing the mix of energy sources is also insightful. Germany has spent a lot of effort into diversifying and upgrading their energy system. Meanwhile, Poland is lagging in investment and relying almost exclusively on one piece of energy source. This piece of knowledge is also insightful.

> Germany has spent a lot of effort into diversifying and upgrading their energy system

Evidently the outcome is still nothing to be proud of, especially considering the country's wealth and claim of leadership in environmental policy.

It simply was too early to phase out nuclear power when they (slightly stubbornly) decided to do so.

Re: Live display of CO2 emitted to produce electricity in European countries

#168
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Don't be mad at me, but basically what are you saying is: "Screw you all, screw the planet, flood after us...". You should really not use argument: "you did it, so we will also do it", because when "we" did it, there was probably no other way. And now is. It's 2016, you can't burn coal in rate like it was 15th century. It won't help us transition to clean energy anyhow.

You have a point, but you have to also consider the fact that it is hypocritical to say that we are "Screwing the planet". If others were screwing it to build their economy, other countries also should have that ability. Countries that have more money can afford other forms of energy, but coal is abundant in Poland and it would be foolish not to use it. For solar power, Poland doesn't have good geographical position,…

> If others were screwing it to build their economy, other countries also should have that ability

Because of course building one's economy matters more than screwing the planet we all live on ?

What Poland is doing (as others did before) is very understandable, but it doesn't mean it's acceptable.

Re: Live display of CO2 emitted to produce electricity in European countries

#169

Wow, what's wrong with Poland? I guess they use a lot of coal to produce electricity..?

Nothing is wrong with Poland. If something is wrong then your ability to read presented data. It doesn't mean we are emitting more CO2 - for all colored map lovers see[1] CO2 emission per capita for Germany or other European countries before jumping to conclusions. [1] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:CO2_per_capita_per_c...

> Nothing is wrong with Poland. If something is wrong then your ability to read presented data.

This is, unfortunately, what nationalistic pride clouding otherwise smart people's judgment looks like.

Re: Live display of CO2 emitted to produce electricity in European countries

#170

Polish right-wing government is blocking any development that could hurt coal industry. They passed the law that significantly constrains where windmills can be located. They also hindered development of solar by reverting the law that allowed individual owners of solar panels to be paid for the overproduced electricity.

Polish government is not right-wing. There may be right wing of it, but it is not right wing per se. Right wing of what? See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanation for a better clue about what current polish government may aspire to be like. It may have some right wing parts of what is above all big centrist coalition. Another issue is. How is this government blocking development that could hurt coal industry any dif…

>Carbon dioxide (chemical formula CO2) is a colorless and odorless gas that is vital to life on Earth. Paint Poland and Estonia green. Green as in Greenhouse. Painting it black may suggest some form of blame for some imaginary "pollution" which i hope was not the point of the authors of the site.

Ever heard of global warming ?

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