Live display of CO2 emitted to produce electricity in European countries • Hacker News Board

Re: Live display of CO2 emitted to produce electricity in European countries

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Post by ams6110 » Wed, Dec 28, 2016, 4:43 PM UTC

andreasley wrote: post #46

I've noticed that Switzerland, using a lot of hydropower, has a worse intensity than I expected. The CO2 numbers for the different types of power generation seem to come from Wikipedia [1], where Hydropower has a median gCO2eq/kWh of 24 and a maximum of 2200 – much worse than coal. This seems to be based on the fact that large areas may be flooded when filling the dam initially, and CO2 from rotting plants is release…

CO2 from rotting plants is not a problem, as that is basically "current" not "fossilized" carbon that is being released.

Re: Live display of CO2 emitted to produce electricity in European countries

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Post by walterstucco » Wed, Dec 28, 2016, 4:45 PM UTC

Dylan16807 wrote: post #107

walterstucco wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

yeah… ok… right… I'm very sad that so many people are obsessed with cults nowadays

Would you care to elaborate on that?

Of course: there's a cult that spreads the false belief that CO2 emission and eating beef are correlated. Some people in the cult are probably paid to spread this myth, while the majority of them they are just simple persons believing in the power of individuals, "one person can change the world" and other similar bullshit.

Re: Live display of CO2 emitted to produce electricity in European countries

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Post by topspin » Wed, Dec 28, 2016, 4:52 PM UTC

vndjvjbnvs wrote: post #15

Would be nice to see this displayed relative to population/demand. France looking good but they're paying for that green color.

"but they're paying for that green color."

Is that bad? I thought it was our moral imperative to pay the cost of low carbon energy. That's how the the high kWh rates in Germany (roughly 40% higher than France) are rationalized, in my experience.

Re: Live display of CO2 emitted to produce electricity in European countries

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Post by literallycancer » Wed, Dec 28, 2016, 4:53 PM UTC

jonenst wrote: post #83

It's a nice visualization, but cpu usage shoots through the roof ! Deleting the animated arrows between the countries helps a bit, but then it still uses around 50% cpu (and that's on a fast desktop computer. Can't imagine my laptop trying to display this page). Using Ubuntu + firefox (it's a little better with chromium). Is it a problem with this page ? With my setup ? Or is it just impossible to do something of thi…

The fan is going crazy on my laptop with an older i5, but it works.

Re: Live display of CO2 emitted to produce electricity in European countries

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Post by mixedbit » Wed, Dec 28, 2016, 4:56 PM UTC

Polish right-wing government is blocking any development that could hurt coal industry.

They passed the law that significantly constrains where windmills can be located. They also hindered development of solar by reverting the law that allowed individual owners of solar panels to be paid for the overproduced electricity.

Re: Live display of CO2 emitted to produce electricity in European countries

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Post by davedx » Wed, Dec 28, 2016, 4:59 PM UTC

avar wrote: post #5

Does anyone know of interesting tours you can take of electricity production in Europe or energy infrastructure in general? I'm in The Netherlands, but would be willing to travel for it. A real tour of a nuclear plant would be awesome (i.e. getting to hear / see the reactor), but tours of wind farms / turbines / dams etc. would also be great. Preferably in English.

Another Scotland recommendation- Ben Cruachan hydro dam has a nice visitor center. Its on the west coast.

I work for Vandebron in the Netherlands. Some of our smaller producers are happy to show visitors around. It helps if you are one of the households they are supplying of course ;)

Re: Live display of CO2 emitted to produce electricity in European countries

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Post by davedx » Wed, Dec 28, 2016, 5:01 PM UTC

tehwalrus wrote: post #105

acd wrote: post #100

How much co2 is coming from electric energy, food and transportation? One should in general switch over to clean power sources. One way to cut down on ones own carbon emissions is to stop eating beef as cows release a lot of methane. km https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2014/jul/21/giving-u... http://shrinkthatfootprint.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/fo... https://priceofmeat.files.wordpress.com/2009/02/b885019…

Not eating beef will not reduce your "carbon emmisions" (except for transport etc, which would presumably be substituted). They will reduce your "greenhouse gas emissions" though.

Methane is a carbon molecule

Re: Live display of CO2 emitted to produce electricity in European countries

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Post by Dylan16807 » Wed, Dec 28, 2016, 5:05 PM UTC

walterstucco wrote: post #112

Dylan16807 wrote: post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Would you care to elaborate on that?

Of course: there's a cult that spreads the false belief that CO2 emission and eating beef are correlated. Some people in the cult are probably paid to spread this myth, while the majority of them they are just simple persons believing in the power of individuals, "one person can change the world" and other similar bullshit.

That's a pretty extreme way to react to a false belief.

And there's no way it's not true at all. Harvesting cow feed uses fuel. So if you're saying the CO2 from that is negligible, what's the real amount?

Re: Live display of CO2 emitted to produce electricity in European countries

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Post by [deleted] » Wed, Dec 28, 2016, 5:07 PM UTC

masklinn wrote: post #102

wiuhilfhuegihuf wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

they mean the cost of the nuclear plants (construction, decommissioning, waste-storage and security) not the price of the electricity

That's nonsensical, the cost of the nuclear plant is capital investment which is included in the price of the electricity. If the country needed it due to "the cost of the nuclear plant" it would raise its prices (again electricity prices in France are lower than in every single one of its neighbours , to which the country generally exports electricity incidentally).

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Re: Live display of CO2 emitted to produce electricity in European countries

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Post by Sami_Lehtinen » Wed, Dec 28, 2016, 5:09 PM UTC

Russia -> Finland imports are missing: http://www.fingrid.fi/en/electricity-market/power-system/Pag...

Nordic power map: http://www.fingrid.fi/en/electricity-market/power-system/Pag...

Finland is currently building two nuclear power plants to provide more green energy. Wind & Solar, aren't that great options at all. Btw. I love the visualizations.