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Library-managed 'arXiv' spreads scientific advances rapidly and worldwide

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Re: Library-managed 'arXiv' spreads scientific advances rapidly and worldwide

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Same reason CAs exist for signing certificates: trust.

If the peers were properly authenticated as such, then wouldn't that obviate the need for the journals, if trust is their only value add?

you can be properly authenticated but not authorized, whatever it means in the context (something like not competent?) trusted journals are trusted for their competence in filtering crap out, not for being able to prove that authors are really authors.

Re: Library-managed 'arXiv' spreads scientific advances rapidly and worldwide

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If the peers were properly authenticated as such, then wouldn't that obviate the need for the journals, if trust is their only value add?

you can be properly authenticated but not authorized, whatever it means in the context (something like not competent?) trusted journals are trusted for their competence in filtering crap out, not for being able to prove that authors are really authors.

Sure but it feels like there is some close relation there: proving an author is genuine and proving the author is producing genuinely valuable work wrt some given publication's specific audience.

If one were to build a system along that line, meant to replace prestigious academic journals of today, of course it would be gamed. But isn't the general consensus that the current system already is being gamed and usually at expense of the researchers doing valuable research and the public at large?

Re: Library-managed 'arXiv' spreads scientific advances rapidly and worldwide

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Can I just make a general plea? You should upload your paper to arXiv. When you do, please upload your source (tex, or word I imagine), as well as a PDF. For the blind, PDF is the worst possible format, and tex and word are the best formats. Don't hide, or lose, the blind-accessible version of your paper.

> For the blind, PDF is the worst possible format I'm surprised. Nobody has created an accessibility solution for PDFs after all these years of ubiquity? What's the story?

It's totally possible (and a relatively frequent occurrence) to have pdfs where the order of characters in the code has no relationship at all to how those same characters are laid out visually on the page. Anything marginally more complex than a series of paragraphs with no formatting at all basically requires you to render out the whole pdf and figure out the order that you are actually supposed to read the characters in.

Re: Library-managed 'arXiv' spreads scientific advances rapidly and worldwide

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Well, I don't know about PDF, but PostScript, which it's based on is basically just a programming language for drawing symbols in specific positions on a page. Depending on how it was written (or more likely, generated) this could be readable, or incredibly unreadable. As an example, in post script the following example from Wikipedia would simply show the text Hello World: %!PS /Courier % name the desired font 20 se…

Almost all formats would similarly require content to be parsed from code; for example, consider HTML, Word, or Excel. It makes me wonder how screen readers work. Thinking out loud, it seems that the screen readers should let the applications (e.g., Word) handle their own parsing and presentation and obtain the data after that. Otherwise, the screen reader would have to reinvent many wheels, interpreting the code for…

I think the difference with word, excel and Tex is that because they are editable, the content must be stored in a way where the flow is expressed, and each part can be clearly broken into its parts.

With PDFs, all you have is the position of lines and characters on the page. There is no flow, ordering, or semantics.

Re: Library-managed 'arXiv' spreads scientific advances rapidly and worldwide

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Well, I don't know about PDF, but PostScript, which it's based on is basically just a programming language for drawing symbols in specific positions on a page. Depending on how it was written (or more likely, generated) this could be readable, or incredibly unreadable. As an example, in post script the following example from Wikipedia would simply show the text Hello World: %!PS /Courier % name the desired font 20 se…

Well, less can extract the text; so I don't see why that's an issue.

It doesn't work often for multi column pdfs or tables, ligatures are usually misparsed, and maths is just destroyed.

Re: Library-managed 'arXiv' spreads scientific advances rapidly and worldwide

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> You don't understand a thing and that was the proof of it, at least for me. The process of peers evaluating a paper takes a lot of time because it cannot be automated and is serious, especially for the better journals. Of course bouncing people (referees) is part of the process, to find the better and/or most available one. The time of the actual reviewing does not alter either of the two other time sinks that I po…

"The time of the actual reviewing does not alter either of the two other time sinks that I posted. The median post acceptance to publication time for the journal of clinical neuroscience is over three months, and other journals head over a year." Hey, you started claiming two years, no it's three months. Three months is perfectly acceptable for quality peer-reviewing. For good papers from experience authors (who know…

> Hey, you started claiming two years, no it's three months. Three months is perfectly acceptable for quality peer-reviewing. For good papers from experience authors (who know what critic to expect) this waiting might even be lower. High-quality publishing demands this.

You're not interpreting this correctly. This is not the time for review, this is once the paper has been reviewed and accepted. The journal has agreed to publish the paper, but there is still a significant delay before anyone actually gets to read it. This is why I'm saying it doesn't take two years to review the papers. It won't have done, but it still took that long between submission and the time others could actually read it.

Re: Library-managed 'arXiv' spreads scientific advances rapidly and worldwide

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Is there any reason why a project like this wouldn't be open sourced? Follow up question, how does a site like this have a $500k annual budget? I was napkin calculating the costs of running this and couldn't get anywhere close to $500k without having extensive staff salaries.

It must be mostly salary and maybe a small fraction bandwidth. Hardware costs must be in the noise. For the salary, don't forget university overhead. 200K alone might be going to support Ginsbarg. A software developer + sysadmin could be at a similar rate. Again, with overhead included. Praise be the bureaucracy, and give onto it its tithe.

Re: Library-managed 'arXiv' spreads scientific advances rapidly and worldwide

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I'm a (PhD student) mathematician and every paper I've uploaded has included the TeX. I looked at about 10 papers in math at random, and 9/10 of them also included the TeX. But this isn't something I've looked for in the past. So I wonder: in your experience, about what percentage of papers on the arXiv have included the source?

Almost nobody in experimental life sciences uses Tex. My advisor refused to read anything that wasn't in MS Word.

We're working to provide a Word-like interface on git repositories for researchers to write their manuscripts in at authorea.com. Our editor allows researchers to write in markdown, LaTeX, or rich text all within one article.

Re: Library-managed 'arXiv' spreads scientific advances rapidly and worldwide

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Can I just make a general plea? You should upload your paper to arXiv. When you do, please upload your source (tex, or word I imagine), as well as a PDF. For the blind, PDF is the worst possible format, and tex and word are the best formats. Don't hide, or lose, the blind-accessible version of your paper.

It would be great if arXiv upload screen said this. Not sure if it does or not.

I haven't uploaded a paper in a while (coauthors have been doing it more recently), but I'm pretty sure it encourages uploading document sources somewhere during the process. The issue that sibrahim mentions, about stuff in comments, is real: on a multi-author tex the file tends to end up being pretty messy, with lots of informal remarks and old versions in the comments. I always strip out all the comments before submitting.

Re: Library-managed 'arXiv' spreads scientific advances rapidly and worldwide

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> you can almost always find a free version of a published and potentially pay-walled paper. On personal research, I've used it for exactly this, but since what I've seen was only preprints, I've often wondered about the final version. It looks like I'm not alone.[1] Do many or any of the arXiv papers get updates with the improvements that come from peer reviews? Is there a need for arXiv for finals or do publishers…

Publishers (in this subfield at least) usually demand ownership only on the final typeset manuscript PDFs. Those cannot be uploaded, but people are usually free to update the arxiv manuscript by uploading their own "final" version files, with content equivalent to the published one. In the corner where I come from, I'd say this is done most of the time, especially if there are major changes. In practice, people often…

Agree with everything. I also want to point out that the final published version is not always better -- it represents compromises made with reviewers / editors to get papers through. Often these are positive, but not always. Sometimes it's useful to be able to send people the preprint rather than the final version.
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