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Library-managed 'arXiv' spreads scientific advances rapidly and worldwide

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Re: Library-managed 'arXiv' spreads scientific advances rapidly and worldwide

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Post by Eridrus »

divbit wrote: post #31
ajross wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I think people also use it for a sort of "I posted it to arXiv first, therefore I solved it first" kind of thing, which imo can be misleading at times True, but I don't see that fights over precedence are unique to ArXiv either, or even made worse by it, no? I mean, at least now there is an unambiguous date-stamped public place to cite in this kind of fight. And those fights provide a built-in incentive to put stuf…

> True, but I don't see that fights over precedence are unique to ArXiv either, or even made worse by it, no? I'm not familiar enough with other methods of preprint publishing besides arXiv / eprint.iacr, but you may be right that it is not unique to arXiv. My personal preference would to be to have bits of research done through something like git, so that work along the way can be seen, otherwise one may solve a pro…

Besides disputes involving patents, papers that are withing a short time frame of each other are usually understood to be cases of parallel invention, it's happening quite frequently in deep learning atm since there are still a lot of relatively low hanging ideas, to the extent that people are commenting/joking that they consider the risk of colliding with someone else when deciding what to work on.

Re: Library-managed 'arXiv' spreads scientific advances rapidly and worldwide

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Post by dkbrk »

joeyo wrote: post #29
starshadowx2 wrote: post #28

Interesting to learn how to pronounce it correctly. I've always just said arx-iv like it's spelled.

It is pronounced like it's spelled; the X is a chi.

Is it spelt that way, though?

X is LATIN CAPITAL LETTER X

Χ is GREEK CAPITAL LETTER CHI

Everywhere I have ever seen it spelt, it has been written with the Latin letter. I have never seen it spelt as "arχiv" or "arΧiv", only ever as "arXiv".

I can understand why, for example, having a Greek letter in the URL would be undesirable, but if one is going to consider that letter to be Chi, then that should be the authoritative spelling and it should actually be spelt that way where possible.

Re: Library-managed 'arXiv' spreads scientific advances rapidly and worldwide

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Post by lorenzhs »

javajosh wrote: post #23
pepon wrote: post #20

I hope it is replaced with something better soon. You cannot see access statistics concerning the papers you upload, and they provide this absurd reason for not doing it: https://arxiv.org/help/faq/statfaq (it seems they think arxiv users are idiots or something, so they have to take care of us). Also getting the uploaded latex files to be compiled without errors is a pain, and they don't let you to just upload the p…

Requiring error-free latex is almost certainly a reasonable proxy for real curation effort.

The issue is that their LaTeX installation is fairly old, so there's a real chance of running into old bugs that have long since been fixed. It's a bit tiresome to work around those. I've had issues with their pgfplots version and had to resort to compiling the figures to pdf locally and including those.

Re: Library-managed 'arXiv' spreads scientific advances rapidly and worldwide

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Post by CJefferson »

Can I just make a general plea?

You should upload your paper to arXiv. When you do, please upload your source (tex, or word I imagine), as well as a PDF.

For the blind, PDF is the worst possible format, and tex and word are the best formats. Don't hide, or lose, the blind-accessible version of your paper.

Re: Library-managed 'arXiv' spreads scientific advances rapidly and worldwide

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Post by lorenzhs »

baby wrote: post #32

I hate arXiv, I can never figure out where is the PDF, if there is a PDF... long live eprint.

I'm not sure whether you're serious, but on any article's page there a "Download" section with a link to the PDF (labelled "PDF").

Re: Library-managed 'arXiv' spreads scientific advances rapidly and worldwide

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Post by CJefferson »

pepon wrote: post #20

I hope it is replaced with something better soon. You cannot see access statistics concerning the papers you upload, and they provide this absurd reason for not doing it: https://arxiv.org/help/faq/statfaq (it seems they think arxiv users are idiots or something, so they have to take care of us). Also getting the uploaded latex files to be compiled without errors is a pain, and they don't let you to just upload the p…

There is one HUGE reason for not using PDFs -- PDFs are very blind-inaccessable, whereas tex is perfect.

For that reason alone, arXiv is really helping the blind community in academia.

EDIT: Add missing 'not' :)

Re: Library-managed 'arXiv' spreads scientific advances rapidly and worldwide

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Post by btym »

CJefferson wrote: post #56
pepon wrote: post #20

I hope it is replaced with something better soon. You cannot see access statistics concerning the papers you upload, and they provide this absurd reason for not doing it: https://arxiv.org/help/faq/statfaq (it seems they think arxiv users are idiots or something, so they have to take care of us). Also getting the uploaded latex files to be compiled without errors is a pain, and they don't let you to just upload the p…

There is one HUGE reason for not using PDFs -- PDFs are very blind-inaccessable, whereas tex is perfect. For that reason alone, arXiv is really helping the blind community in academia. EDIT: Add missing 'not' :)

> There is one HUGE reason for using PDFs -- PDFs are very blind-inaccessable

I think you may have mistyped this. ;-)

Re: Library-managed 'arXiv' spreads scientific advances rapidly and worldwide

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Post by divbit »

Eridrus wrote: post #51
divbit wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> True, but I don't see that fights over precedence are unique to ArXiv either, or even made worse by it, no? I'm not familiar enough with other methods of preprint publishing besides arXiv / eprint.iacr, but you may be right that it is not unique to arXiv. My personal preference would to be to have bits of research done through something like git, so that work along the way can be seen, otherwise one may solve a pro…

Besides disputes involving patents, papers that are withing a short time frame of each other are usually understood to be cases of parallel invention, it's happening quite frequently in deep learning atm since there are still a lot of relatively low hanging ideas, to the extent that people are commenting/joking that they consider the risk of colliding with someone else when deciding what to work on.

> withing a short time frame of each other are usually understood to be cases of parallel invention

I see what you are saying, but I don't think it's that cut and dry, otherwise I could just take someone else's work from yesterday (or whatever a short time frame is), and re-solve it (easily -since now the tricky parts have been revealed) and post it today - tada, I parallel invented it!

Re: Library-managed 'arXiv' spreads scientific advances rapidly and worldwide

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Post by chime »

CJefferson wrote: post #54

Can I just make a general plea? You should upload your paper to arXiv. When you do, please upload your source (tex, or word I imagine), as well as a PDF. For the blind, PDF is the worst possible format, and tex and word are the best formats. Don't hide, or lose, the blind-accessible version of your paper.

It would be great if arXiv upload screen said this. Not sure if it does or not.
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