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Re: Darktable 2.2.0 released

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Post by Veratyr »

kislotnik wrote: post #48

It's a pity most compare it to Lightroom, whereas there are more sound competitors - take a look at RawTherapee, Capture One, ON1 Photo RAW or SilkyPix. All of them have ups and downs, Rawtherapee is fast bug buggy as hell and has no adjustment layers, Capture One is marvellous but has political problems with supporting files from the medium-format Pentax, ON1 Photo RAW is a freshly released piece of software and it…

> It's a pity most compare it to Lightroom

I don't think I can agree that it's a pity. Lightroom is the standard for photographers right now for pretty much everything but fashion photography (Capture One) and perhaps architecture photography (DXO Optics Pro). Everything, including the competitors you mentioned, is compared to Lightroom.

I think these applications (including DarkTable) need to be compared to Lightroom because the point at which they're competitive with Lightroom is the point at which they become seriously viable to many photographers (the kind that don't necessarily hang out on HN).

Re: Darktable 2.2.0 released

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Post by Lio »

pvdebbe wrote: post #13
geppetto wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can you expand on that? I'm a Fuji and Darktable user. What am I missing?

The pixel readout is frankly poor on both apps: false color here and there. Probably both apps use the same library behind the scenes. On RT I can crank up the demosaic algorithms to reduce the effect. DT has no similar filter available. DT also used to not do a good job on lens corrections (I have an X100T). Perhaps this new version does better since there was a mention in the changelog about lens data. The best pic…

On the X100 you can at least convert the raw files to jpeg on camera.

I generally just stick to a couple of jpeg presets.

Re: Darktable 2.2.0 released

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Post by s917 »

digler999 wrote: post #54
vvanders wrote: post #43

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It was in the context of building trust, basically "go away and work on another project so we know who you are before you can touch our holy code". That guy came in with a great attitude and approach, he pretty much got told to pack it.

I dont believe in being rude to people, but sometimes you have to make things clear. In their comment chain they asked the dev to rename the application so it didn't give the reputation a bad name. I can understand that, especially since Darktable apparently is a really good app. Open source means you can take the code and build/modify/play with it, it doesn't mean you can take the name and reputation of a product an…

So the guy forks darktable for windows, calls it something else. Then when the project reaches a level of maturity the original devs approve of, they take his work back into darktable, produce their own windows port under their 'brand' and his project potentially dies because it doesn't carry the same weight?

I got the vibe from some of the comments that "one guy working on a windows port isn't enough, we don't want to help support it so we're going to discourage any 'one man bands' until a team appears from nowhere to do all the work" is the common view, which I sort of understand that they don't want to have to provide end user support to a platform they themselves don't use, but that attitude might ultimately go against the project.

Re: Darktable 2.2.0 released

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Post by vvanders »

s917 wrote: post #63
digler999 wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I dont believe in being rude to people, but sometimes you have to make things clear. In their comment chain they asked the dev to rename the application so it didn't give the reputation a bad name. I can understand that, especially since Darktable apparently is a really good app. Open source means you can take the code and build/modify/play with it, it doesn't mean you can take the name and reputation of a product an…

So the guy forks darktable for windows, calls it something else. Then when the project reaches a level of maturity the original devs approve of, they take his work back into darktable, produce their own windows port under their 'brand' and his project potentially dies because it doesn't carry the same weight? I got the vibe from some of the comments that "one guy working on a windows port isn't enough, we don't want…

Exactly! Thanks for summarizing much better than I could.

You can set out requirements for merging upstream while also encouraging users to contribute. They're driving off good developers who do use windows primarily and might want to contribute. Like you said, there's no "team" that's going to materialize if that's the approach that they take whenever anyone brings it up.

Re: Darktable 2.2.0 released

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Post by stevekemp »

pkaye wrote: post #45
uniclaude wrote: post #36

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Definitely agree! I make a substantial part of my income (just enough to pay rent) selling photography, and I recently dropped ps and lightroom in favor of Darktable. The change didn't happen in a day, but Darktable is so good I don't think I'll ever need to come back to Adobe. Notable plus, I can now spend most of my time on Linux, no more need to use my Macbook for photo work. The interface is not really good for s…

Any experience using RawTherapee also? Just an hobbyist myself and moving away from the Mac platform so figuring out the best alternatives.

I don't make a living via photography, but I do receive income from taking pictures of escorts, and pets. (Strange how you find your niche!)

I've been using RawTherapee, on Linux, for the past few years. For my needs of marking images, doing post-processing, and mass-operations, it works perfectly.

I'm always reluctant to allow a tool to manage the layout/tagging of my images. So for that I have a strictly sorted hierarchy:

    ~/Images/
    ~/Images/2016
    ~/Images/2016/12/04-Hannah
    ~/Images/2016/12/12-Tiffany
Inside each "event"-folder I store:

    RAW/
    JPG/
    JPG/thumbs/
    Teasers/
    Teasers/thumbs/
Then I write out a meta-data file, ".meta", with detail such as:

    Location=Studio|MyPlace|Their Hotel|Whatever
    Contact-Details=+44...
    Tags=lingerie,nude,shillouette,monochrome
    ..
It works well, and allows me to find files years later via a simple `grep`.

Re: Darktable 2.2.0 released

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Post by stevekemp »

cookiecaper wrote: post #49
uniclaude wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Definitely agree! I make a substantial part of my income (just enough to pay rent) selling photography, and I recently dropped ps and lightroom in favor of Darktable. The change didn't happen in a day, but Darktable is so good I don't think I'll ever need to come back to Adobe. Notable plus, I can now spend most of my time on Linux, no more need to use my Macbook for photo work. The interface is not really good for s…

I'm sure you're sick of getting asked this, since it's asked every time someone who makes some money from photography mentions it, as there are many wannabe photogs out there, but how do you monetize your photos? Stock photo marketplaces like Dreamtime? Event photography (i.e., getting paid to take photos and provide prints of said photos, not getting paid for photos directly)? Online marketplaces for more artistic-o…

A lot of this comes down to your niche. As you say there are many people who are "photographers", and many many many more who would never pay and take their own with their phones.

I accidentally found a niche when I took some fun pictures of a friend who was an escort. She shared them, for advertising purposes, and that lead to my name being mentioned on an escort discussion forum. Since then people get in touch every now and again and I arrange to shoot them in exchange for cash.

Finding people willing to pay is definitely hard, but sadly my own route is pretty hard to generalise.

Re: Darktable 2.2.0 released

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Post by privong »

djsumdog wrote: post #65

I tried Darktable but the lack of basic undo functionality kept me on Lightroom. Looks like this release has basic undo functionality. I'll give this one another try.

> I tried Darktable but the lack of basic undo functionality kept me on Lightroom. Looks like this release has basic undo functionality. I'll give this one another try.

It's had undo functionality (on an individual-image basis) for a long time, albeit perhaps not in an obvious fashion. In the "darkroom" view, on the left sidebar there's a "History" widget. If you click on earlier numbers, it reverts the image to those, undoing whatever previous edits you've done.

Re: Darktable 2.2.0 released

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Post by acjohnson55 »

I'm not too familiar with Darktable, but one of my biggest Lightroom complaints is that it's not readily usable with generic cloud storage providers. Does Darktable have a good answer for this? I'd very much like to be liberated from buying ever larger hard disks.

Re: Darktable 2.2.0 released

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Post by cookiecaper »

Veratyr wrote: post #61
kislotnik wrote: post #48

It's a pity most compare it to Lightroom, whereas there are more sound competitors - take a look at RawTherapee, Capture One, ON1 Photo RAW or SilkyPix. All of them have ups and downs, Rawtherapee is fast bug buggy as hell and has no adjustment layers, Capture One is marvellous but has political problems with supporting files from the medium-format Pentax, ON1 Photo RAW is a freshly released piece of software and it…

> It's a pity most compare it to Lightroom I don't think I can agree that it's a pity. Lightroom is the standard for photographers right now for pretty much everything but fashion photography (Capture One) and perhaps architecture photography (DXO Optics Pro). Everything, including the competitors you mentioned, is compared to Lightroom. I think these applications (including DarkTable) need to be compared to Lightroo…

It's a shame that most software can't seem to keep a focus. Lightroom became a RAW development platform as well as a photo manager, etc. I'd really like just a fast, inobtrusive, and performant photo manager to help index my photos. I haven't found anything worthwhile yet.

I use DxO for all of my photography. Because Lightroom slows to a crawl on my imports, I haven't really tried it for RAW development. I guess I should give it a go. However, at this juncture I fully believe that DxO is miracle software. I've gotten far better results with it than I have with anything else. DxO can take a trash shot and make it 80% and it can take a good shot and make it 500%. Far more impressed with it than ufraw and the other RAW development suites I've tinkered with in the past.

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