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Re: No tipping means better business

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Try doing 20% on an american credit card bill when you're drunk and leaving the house, where it wants you to write down the total AND the difference. It's completely retarded in every conceivable way.

Isn't that an either-or? I've always either written the tip or the total amount on trips to the US.

All of the americans i was with told me to do both. But they were drunk too, so who knows.

Re: No tipping means better business

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post #58

As a person who was born and living in a country which has no tipping culture. The tipping sucks. I should have been fully informed how much should I have to pay before I purchase something or some service. Any extra demand from agreed amount should be illegal. I also don't want to waste my precious time on paying the tip for calculating tax. The worker's salary is a employer's responsibility. If the the worker becom…

Add mental strain of thinking should I and how much should I tip. Also hassle if you don't happen to have change readily available. Sometimes it's just easier to go to a place where you don't have to think this.

Mental strain, really?

Re: No tipping means better business

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post #181

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Worse still, tipping is merely a way of keeping class hierarchies, and it's disgusting. When a person walks into a restaurant in the USA they can waive a $20 bill at a waitperson and say if you do what I want, and if I like you, and if I'm feeling generous, I might give you some of this. Of course, they might not too. Labor laws, minimum wage, etc are all there to make this illegal in a work contract, and it should b…

> When a person walks into a restaurant in the USA they can waive a $20 bill at a waitperson and say if you do what I want, and if I like you, and if I'm feeling generous, I might give you some of this. So you also dislike bonuses for white collar professionals? Because it's exactly the same thing.

> So you also dislike bonuses for white collar professionals?

I do dislike them, because in a way they are the similar - you work really hard and you can't be sure if you will get it or not.

It's the classic carrot on a stick motivation.

> Because it's exactly the same thing.

At most companies, how you get a bonus and how much it is is very clearly defined, and so in that regard, it's not similar to tipping at all.

Re: No tipping means better business

#204

Tipping is essential. It's the most common generosity exercise in everyday life. It gives us a chance to flex a muscle we don't flex often enough. We should be doing it more, not less. We should tip the cashier at the grocery store and our mechanics and our mail carriers and the referees at high school sporting events. Paypal tip jars and Humble Bundle's Pay What You Want model are two examples of tipping on the web…

If I give additional money to a bartender to encourage them to serve me before other (possibly poorer) people, that is not generosity.

Re: No tipping means better business

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Anecdotal, but there's a supermarket chain in the Southeastern U.S. (Publix) that pays their employees a living wage, provides health coverage, and makes a point of letting the customer know that staff (even the folks that load your groceries into your car) doesn't accept tips. The food costs are a little bit higher than, say, Walmart, but closer to that end of the spectrum if Whole Foods is the opposite end. I don't know how well that model would translate to the restaurant industry but, personally, I would give preference to establishments that opted for that model than the current $2something/hour minimum wage + tips.

Re: No tipping means better business

#206

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I've worked as both a server and a delivery driver, and even after having left both jobs I'd still be in favor of tipping because I think it incentivizes the worker to do well at their job. The US simply doesn't have the same culture Japan has. That said, travelling to the US shouldn't be handicapped by a fear of tipping. Don't tip, or do, but not going because of it is an unfortunate choice.

> I'd still be in favor of tipping because I think it incentivizes the worker to do well at their job Not in my experience. For instance, I've seen cab drivers expecting a 20% tip to be added by default regardless of the quality of service, courtesy and help (if any). It feels terrible to be asked to pay 120% (in total) for mediocre or even lousy service.

A very aggressive taxi driver (it was one up from a regular taxi, but don't recall what) drove my Gran and me from SFO to SF, the drive was TERRIFYING, would have been 1* on Uber. Yet he angrily demanded a 25% tip, he didn't get it. Fuck that guy.

Re: No tipping means better business

#207

Tipping is essential. It's the most common generosity exercise in everyday life. It gives us a chance to flex a muscle we don't flex often enough. We should be doing it more, not less. We should tip the cashier at the grocery store and our mechanics and our mail carriers and the referees at high school sporting events. Paypal tip jars and Humble Bundle's Pay What You Want model are two examples of tipping on the web…

> Tipping is essential. It's the most common generosity exercise in everyday life As someone who comes from a country where tipping is not part of the culture (Australia), I'm struggling to understand this. What are we missing out on by not having it?

Nothing.

I haven't been to Australia, but in the USA, you are missing out on a fake smile, a fake compliment, a light pat on the back, the server invading your personal space, by leaning into you to take your order (it makes you feel like you know the server? A weird bond forms? They become more than just someone who takes an order?).

I waited tables in college, and was taught some of the ways to increase that all important tip. You used to be able to sneak in a free drink; that's the best one.

I would like to see an end to all tips here.

It complicated because some employees are just likable. You want to give them money. Some employees actually make a pretty good living off a job that allows for tipping. Most employees don't have that magic though; I couldn't pull it off, without being fake. I'm just not a people person most days, especially with the self-entitled customer.

We have a huge sector of the society that needs jobs that allow for tipping though. I don't see the need for unskilled labor decreasing anytime soon. (I'm probally hurting someone's feelings? I don't mean to. Certain jobs that accept tips require training, and talent--a hair stylist is one.)

So--I feel raising the minimum wage is the right choice. It will prevent certain industries from just filling up the shop with bodies. Owners will have to hire the best applicant. More thought will go onto the hire? Speaking fluent English might be a requirement? Along with being bilingual?

My minimum wage would be close to $20 though.

(I came back to add something. Too many employers are paying skilled labor minimum wage--without tips. This is especially prevalent in construction. I worked for a few non-union telecommunications companies, and they all paid minimum wage. This edit isn't about tipping, it's about just how desperate certain workers are, and how employers exploit them. Couldn't sleep until I added this.)

Re: No tipping means better business

#208

I've traveled the world and have come to the conclusion that diners are better off in a tipping environment. Realize this is purely anecdotal but time and time again we have come to the realization that incentives matter and incentivizing good service makes sense to me (and I shouldn't have to order a bottle of wine at lunch to get it). If all someone is going to do is play telephone from one side of the room to the…

In another thread someone mentioned how bad the service is in Dutch restaurants (which, being Dutch, I agree with). In the Netherlands tipping is not required but it's not uncommon to tip for good service. Yet the service is bad. So I don't believe tipping is such a good incentive. Unless perhaps you pay the waiters the absolute bare minimum and they basically need the tips to survive.

It also doesn't really explain the fact that tipping in the US is basically mandatory, regardless of good service. If it's basically mandatory, where's the incentive to offer good service?

Re: No tipping means better business

#209
Where I live tipping is a matter of gratitude; you tip if you were treated well, and you don't if you weren't. I think it's easier to reason about, and is almost never problematic for anyone involved

Re: No tipping means better business

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post #184
post #181

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Worse still, tipping is merely a way of keeping class hierarchies, and it's disgusting. When a person walks into a restaurant in the USA they can waive a $20 bill at a waitperson and say if you do what I want, and if I like you, and if I'm feeling generous, I might give you some of this. Of course, they might not too. Labor laws, minimum wage, etc are all there to make this illegal in a work contract, and it should b…

> When a person walks into a restaurant in the USA they can waive a $20 bill at a waitperson and say if you do what I want, and if I like you, and if I'm feeling generous, I might give you some of this. So you also dislike bonuses for white collar professionals? Because it's exactly the same thing.

I worked in finance sales for about 3 years. Bonuses are fun but I have seen a lot of misconduct in the pursuit of a bonus. Maybe its just banking...

I'm all for the no tipping and i happily work without a bonus. And i would expect other to as well. If you can't show up and be consistent in performance without a carrot then thats maybe not a great reflection of how you work and what you value.

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