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Re: No tipping means better business

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Post by grecy »

ezoe wrote: post #58

As a person who was born and living in a country which has no tipping culture. The tipping sucks. I should have been fully informed how much should I have to pay before I purchase something or some service. Any extra demand from agreed amount should be illegal. I also don't want to waste my precious time on paying the tip for calculating tax. The worker's salary is a employer's responsibility. If the the worker becom…

Worse still, tipping is merely a way of keeping class hierarchies, and it's disgusting.

When a person walks into a restaurant in the USA they can waive a $20 bill at a waitperson and say if you do what I want, and if I like you, and if I'm feeling generous, I might give you some of this.

Of course, they might not too.

Labor laws, minimum wage, etc are all there to make this illegal in a work contract, and it should be illegal for tipping too because it's gross.

Re: No tipping means better business

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Post by lupin_sansei »

lupin_sansei wrote: post #175
peterkelly wrote: post #169

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Tipping is essential. It's the most common generosity exercise in everyday life As someone who comes from a country where tipping is not part of the culture (Australia), I'm struggling to understand this. What are we missing out on by not having it?

Notice in Australia only higher end places have table service and not that great service either. That's what we miss out on in Australia. We have much more self service cafes and much less attentive service when we do get it.

...Australian places work around the higher minimum wages through self service and I've been to a few places now that have touchscreen ordering (McDonalds, some yum cha places). Expect to see more of that to reduce labor costs.

Re: No tipping means better business

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Post by nihonde »

padobson wrote: post #159

Tipping is essential. It's the most common generosity exercise in everyday life. It gives us a chance to flex a muscle we don't flex often enough. We should be doing it more, not less. We should tip the cashier at the grocery store and our mechanics and our mail carriers and the referees at high school sporting events. Paypal tip jars and Humble Bundle's Pay What You Want model are two examples of tipping on the web…

That's absurd. I could make an even more valid argument that employees should be aiming for perfection in their work, regardless of the incentive of a tip. In Japan, no one tips, and customer service is better than anywhere else on earth. Dangling money on a stick is a loser's game. Winners have pride in their work.

Re: No tipping means better business

#184

Post by tjic »

grecy wrote: post #181
ezoe wrote: post #58

As a person who was born and living in a country which has no tipping culture. The tipping sucks. I should have been fully informed how much should I have to pay before I purchase something or some service. Any extra demand from agreed amount should be illegal. I also don't want to waste my precious time on paying the tip for calculating tax. The worker's salary is a employer's responsibility. If the the worker becom…

Worse still, tipping is merely a way of keeping class hierarchies, and it's disgusting. When a person walks into a restaurant in the USA they can waive a $20 bill at a waitperson and say if you do what I want, and if I like you, and if I'm feeling generous, I might give you some of this. Of course, they might not too. Labor laws, minimum wage, etc are all there to make this illegal in a work contract, and it should b…

> When a person walks into a restaurant in the USA they can waive a $20 bill at a waitperson and say if you do what I want, and if I like you, and if I'm feeling generous, I might give you some of this.

So you also dislike bonuses for white collar professionals?

Because it's exactly the same thing.

Re: No tipping means better business

#185

Post by ip_bans_fix_you »

I have to laugh at people who wring their hands over tipping at restaurants. The guilt and anxiety that the custom of tipping induces is kind of silly.

There's a simple calculus to tipping that some people just can't seem to stomach:

  Tip based on the amount 
  they'll spit in your food.
That's what you're paying for. Clean food.

In general, the reality is that tips only improve service after a customer or group has been recognized as a good source of tips.

Tips are bribery, not commission. Once tips are recognized for what they are, the motives for all participants becomes clearer. If they're never going to see you again, a good tip is rendered meaningless.

Re: No tipping means better business

#186

Post by kingosticks »

joshontheweb wrote: post #99
alkonaut wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The thing people seem to be missing though is that a set "expected tip level" ruins the whole thing. If you are expected to tip 20% for just "service" what incentive does that give to provide "good service"? Sure you might have a higher chance of getting 30% for good service - but I think it's probably easier to get 10 or 20% for good service in a place where 0% is the expected level.

If you aren't getting service worthy of tips, don't tip. No one is going to stop you on your way out. You may get worse service the next time you come back. However, why would you go back if the service was bad the first time?

I was stopped and asked for a tip in a Canadian bar when I went to take the drinks back to our table. A dollar per beer to take the cap off.

But North American's do seem to enjoy paying more than advertised. First a bunch of taxes, then some tips, I don't get it.

Re: No tipping means better business

#187

Post by nickez »

tjic wrote: post #184
grecy wrote: post #181

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Worse still, tipping is merely a way of keeping class hierarchies, and it's disgusting. When a person walks into a restaurant in the USA they can waive a $20 bill at a waitperson and say if you do what I want, and if I like you, and if I'm feeling generous, I might give you some of this. Of course, they might not too. Labor laws, minimum wage, etc are all there to make this illegal in a work contract, and it should b…

> When a person walks into a restaurant in the USA they can waive a $20 bill at a waitperson and say if you do what I want, and if I like you, and if I'm feeling generous, I might give you some of this. So you also dislike bonuses for white collar professionals? Because it's exactly the same thing.

Except it's not.. the requirements for getting a bonus should be well defined

Re: No tipping means better business

#188

Post by [deleted] »

dexterdog wrote: post #143
legohead wrote: post #15

Went to a revolving sushi bar tonight. Everything was automated. They even had a touchpad where you can put in orders (like miso ramen soup), which get delivered by a belt. The only thing the servers did was sit us and bring us water. We asked them to replace a leaking soy sauce container and they never did. We tipped 0$ -- there was essentially no service. I kinda felt bad, but talking it over with my wife, I couldn…

There was more than no service. If they work on tips then you stiffed them even thought they didn't do much.

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Re: No tipping means better business

#189

Post by AlexC04 »

csydas wrote: post #78
surrealvortex wrote: post #17

Unless everyone decides to kill tips all at once, this will never work out. No server will work for a fixed 20% increment when they have the potential to get a lot more than that, especially on Saturday nights. There have been plenty of examples of this not working out [1]. [1] http://www.npr.org/sections/thesalt/2016/05/15/478096516/why...

Very rarely do I cite market forces to address social problems, but to me this feels like an appropriate situation for it. Restaurants are constantly getting applications, and many who do not do well on high-tip nights will appreciate the stable paycheck. I won't put non-sense statistics to it, but while many servers do earn huge paychecks from tips, many others scrape by and fight for hours at minimum wage and have…

> have servers that brag about huge payouts.

I'm pretty sure that this is a form of Gambler's Fallacy.

I've heard a story of a waiter who got a high rollers table one night and walked away with a $1,000 tip.

But I heard it from a girl who worked with him. He was a 20-year industry veteran. She was some five years in at the time. The story was told another five years after it happened.

Sure, it was a massive payout on one night of work... But they don't recount the stories of the hundred rainy sundays where nobody shows up, you close shop early and go home with less than minimum wage.

They also save the story of how they couldn't get a mortgage because the bank can't see the income from tips.

I've heard the story of feeling "stuck" in bartending a number of times. You make more than you could in any other career with no skills, but you can't do anything with the money, it isn't fulfilling, the hours suck, retraining is hard and so is starting at the bottom on a new career ladder.

I know a few who've tried and failed to leave the industry and one who became an accountant for a fortune 500 (and now 'mom' too!).

Anyways, I've gone off on a tangent. My original point was unless you're getting those big-tipping payouts every night (eg: the million dollar a year Vegas bottle service girls) serving likely isn't as good as it "feels"

Re: No tipping means better business

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Post by StavrosK »

Mithaldu wrote: post #180
bluedino wrote: post #167

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>> I also don't want to waste my precious time on paying the tip for calculating tax. 20% is an easy calculation. Move the decimal point over one, and double. $24.30 becomes $2.43, doubled you get $4.86 which is your tip. Round it up to $5 if you want. Did you really enjoy the service? Add another $2 or $3. Terrible waiter? Subtract $2 or $3.

Try doing 20% on an american credit card bill when you're drunk and leaving the house, where it wants you to write down the total AND the difference. It's completely retarded in every conceivable way.

Isn't that an either-or? I've always either written the tip or the total amount on trips to the US.
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