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Re: No tipping means better business

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Post by treyfitty »

surrealvortex wrote: post #28
legohead wrote: post #15

Went to a revolving sushi bar tonight. Everything was automated. They even had a touchpad where you can put in orders (like miso ramen soup), which get delivered by a belt. The only thing the servers did was sit us and bring us water. We asked them to replace a leaking soy sauce container and they never did. We tipped 0$ -- there was essentially no service. I kinda felt bad, but talking it over with my wife, I couldn…

I also don't understand tipping at food carts. Customers stand in a line to pay and get their food, and are also expected to tip (either via Square or through tip jars). Edit: the expectation is generally implicit, and while standing in line, I can't help but notice that most customers hit the minimum tip percentage on Square, which is usually 15%

For what it's worth, I sometimes hit the minimum tip percentage solely because a colleague at work is with me. The "impulse" to hit that button is greater if that colleague is my boss. But, even when I'm surrounded by strangers, I still feel this need to hit the tip button.

Ultimately, I think right now the social expectation of tipping in this situation is in limbo- whether you do or don't, it's ok.

Re: No tipping means better business

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Post by EliRivers »

lovemenot wrote: post #150
herbst wrote: post #114

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A no tipping environment is usually "optional tips" in my world view. Therefore i can not agree with that.

Your world view certainly does not encompass Japan then. It is basically not possible to leave a tip there. You'll be chased down the street with the money you 'forgot'. And if you could get past that misunderstanding, through insisting, then you'd be insulting the server by rudely highlighting your spending power, over their presumed economic need.

US tourist forces tip into pocket of waiter. Waiter fired by owner for taking tip. True story.

Re: No tipping means better business

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Post by Cyph0n »

padobson wrote: post #159

Tipping is essential. It's the most common generosity exercise in everyday life. It gives us a chance to flex a muscle we don't flex often enough. We should be doing it more, not less. We should tip the cashier at the grocery store and our mechanics and our mail carriers and the referees at high school sporting events. Paypal tip jars and Humble Bundle's Pay What You Want model are two examples of tipping on the web…

Right, but it shouldn't be mandatory. The issue with the current model is that it's not really a gratuity but rather a necessity. To be quite frank, tipping does not make me feel generous at all.

Re: No tipping means better business

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Post by dalbasal »

ezoe wrote: post #58

As a person who was born and living in a country which has no tipping culture. The tipping sucks. I should have been fully informed how much should I have to pay before I purchase something or some service. Any extra demand from agreed amount should be illegal. I also don't want to waste my precious time on paying the tip for calculating tax. The worker's salary is a employer's responsibility. If the the worker becom…

I don't have strong opinions on tipping either way. Personally, I prefer a culture where tips are an optional extra in culture. You do it when pleasantly surprised. That's nothing more than an "i like it this way" though.

That said, who says "the worker's salary is a employer's responsibility?"

Monetary culture is ancient and emergent. It's culture. Complicated, organic, varied and local. That doesn't mean that we shouldn't want to change it if it's bad or impractical. But, is a culture of tipping bad.

I like that this article is culturally focused. Wage disparities, the social outcomes of these etc.

Re: No tipping means better business

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Post by dalbasal »

ezoe wrote: post #58

As a person who was born and living in a country which has no tipping culture. The tipping sucks. I should have been fully informed how much should I have to pay before I purchase something or some service. Any extra demand from agreed amount should be illegal. I also don't want to waste my precious time on paying the tip for calculating tax. The worker's salary is a employer's responsibility. If the the worker becom…

I don't have strong opinions on tipping either way. Personally, I prefer a culture where tips are an optional extra in culture. You do it when pleasantly surprised. That's nothing more than an "i like it this way" though.

That said, who says "the worker's salary is a employer's responsibility?"

Monetary culture is ancient and emergent. It's culture. Complicated, organic, varied and local. That doesn't mean that we shouldn't want to change it if it's bad or impractical. But, is a culture of tipping bad.

I like that this article is culturally focused. Wage disparities, the social outcomes of these etc.

Re: No tipping means better business

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Post by d0100 »

padobson wrote: post #159

Tipping is essential. It's the most common generosity exercise in everyday life. It gives us a chance to flex a muscle we don't flex often enough. We should be doing it more, not less. We should tip the cashier at the grocery store and our mechanics and our mail carriers and the referees at high school sporting events. Paypal tip jars and Humble Bundle's Pay What You Want model are two examples of tipping on the web…

As long as it's not required.

Re: No tipping means better business

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Post by bluedino »

ezoe wrote: post #58

As a person who was born and living in a country which has no tipping culture. The tipping sucks. I should have been fully informed how much should I have to pay before I purchase something or some service. Any extra demand from agreed amount should be illegal. I also don't want to waste my precious time on paying the tip for calculating tax. The worker's salary is a employer's responsibility. If the the worker becom…

>> I also don't want to waste my precious time on paying the tip for calculating tax.

20% is an easy calculation. Move the decimal point over one, and double. $24.30 becomes $2.43, doubled you get $4.86 which is your tip. Round it up to $5 if you want. Did you really enjoy the service? Add another $2 or $3. Terrible waiter? Subtract $2 or $3.

Re: No tipping means better business

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Post by grenoire »

padobson wrote: post #159

Tipping is essential. It's the most common generosity exercise in everyday life. It gives us a chance to flex a muscle we don't flex often enough. We should be doing it more, not less. We should tip the cashier at the grocery store and our mechanics and our mail carriers and the referees at high school sporting events. Paypal tip jars and Humble Bundle's Pay What You Want model are two examples of tipping on the web…

Tipping is for cases where you are delighted by the service to the point that you feel the server deserves additional compensation for their work. When it turns into a hidden cost (like tax in tax-excluding prices) it is not okay, and it is not generosity. It's the real life equivalent of dark patterns.

Re: No tipping means better business

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Post by peterkelly »

padobson wrote: post #159

Tipping is essential. It's the most common generosity exercise in everyday life. It gives us a chance to flex a muscle we don't flex often enough. We should be doing it more, not less. We should tip the cashier at the grocery store and our mechanics and our mail carriers and the referees at high school sporting events. Paypal tip jars and Humble Bundle's Pay What You Want model are two examples of tipping on the web…

> Tipping is essential. It's the most common generosity exercise in everyday life

As someone who comes from a country where tipping is not part of the culture (Australia), I'm struggling to understand this. What are we missing out on by not having it?

Re: No tipping means better business

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Post by Svip »

Galaxeblaffer wrote: post #146
sundvor wrote: post #32

This works perfectly well in Australia, where tipping is entirely optional and not necessarily expected - however can still be done, if you feel like it. In the advent of tap based payments especially - which is now ubiquitous in Australia - and you just tap your phone / card / device to the terminal which already shows the bill, I'd say tipping happens mainly in higher end restaurants. There's certainly no lack of r…

This ! This is exactly the same in Denmark. Tips are included in the price, but it is still custom to tip if the service is good and you can afford it usually around 5%.

No, tips are not included in the price. I think you are confusing tips with salary. And tips in Denmark seldom tends to have any relation to the price of the meal.
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