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Re: No tipping means better business

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Post by zuppy »

turndown wrote: post #123
okonomiyaki3000 wrote: post #75

Having lived in Japan for a long time, I kind of dread visiting America because of the whole nonsense of tipping (and lot of other reasons, really). There's simply no concept of it here and yet the service is excellent. I don't know what the typical wage is but I know people who work in service jobs and seem to have a lot more disposable income than their counterparts in the US. I also know people who work as servers…

I've worked as both a server and a delivery driver, and even after having left both jobs I'd still be in favor of tipping because I think it incentivizes the worker to do well at their job. The US simply doesn't have the same culture Japan has. That said, travelling to the US shouldn't be handicapped by a fear of tipping. Don't tip, or do, but not going because of it is an unfortunate choice.

I don't think it does. Tipping is expected even if a bad service is being provided. I live in a country where you have to give tips everywhere and everywhere the service is awful. Why not be fair and pay the employee well (and also pay taxes for that amount).

edit: I was thinking about how to award good employees and I think it's simple: give a small paper form at the end, where people will provide ratings for the service provided. Not all of them will fill them, of course, but I think you will get some feedback about who are your best employees and who are the worst. Also, regarding tips, how do they help the kitchen staff (in the restaurants, you can find other examples on other businesses)? That sistem isn't fair.

Re: No tipping means better business

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Post by coldtea »

rahimnathwani wrote: post #111
coldtea wrote: post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That hasn't been my experience at all. From a baseline of having eaten at restaurants all over the world, eating in US restaurants that tip have some of the best service.

The comment to which you replied was talking about different industries, not a single industry across different countries. Your comment doesn't refute the point.

The comment to which I replied is still a moot point if what I say is true for the industry under discussion.

Whether the service is worse in some other tipping industries, is not an argument as to whether the service is worse in tipping restaurants.

Re: No tipping means better business

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Post by simonrobb »

justosophy wrote: post #50

Tipping isn't a thing in Australia. I'm not sure I'd know the first thing for the right way to tip if I visited the US. And yet we seem to enjoy high quality food, and I believe our hospitality wages are higher in general. ( perhaps this is all anecdotal, but tipping has never seemed to make sense to someone not in the mix of it )

Tipping is a thing in Australia, but it's not the pseudo-compulsary thing it is in the US. We do pay significantly higher hospitality wages here; nobody is going to starve if you don't tip, and nobody is going to hold it against you. However if you receive excellent service, it's customary to demonstrate your thanks with a bit extra on the bill, and it will be appreciated.

Re: No tipping means better business

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Post by rdl »

snovv_crash wrote: post #120
psyc wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Have you ever actually bribed someone? It's fun. Makes you feel like you're in the movies.

It's great until you start getting threats of arrest for stuff you didn't do as bribe solicitation.

Also bad: running afoul of Foreign Corrupt Practices Act (if you're an American or in a business which has any connection to the US).

Re: No tipping means better business

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Post by crdoconnor »

smallnamespace wrote: post #42
kiba wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You would need to explain that to me.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Land_value_tax#Efficiency A landlord's decision to improve or not improve the property only depends on 1) the cost of the improvements and 2) the expected revenue stream from that improvement, neither of which are affected by an LVT, since the LVT only cares about the unimproved value of the lot.

I doubt this very much. They'd be incentivized to make more improvements. Under our current regime what is currently a smaller profit would translate into losses under LVT.

Theoretically there's no difference between a smaller profit than is possible and a loss for rational profit maximizing agents but the psychological difference is huge.

Re: No tipping means better business

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Post by crdoconnor »

isostatic wrote: post #124
alooPotato wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would kill to order off an iPad

My favourite luncheon place in Singapore has iPads at every table. So much more relaxed then a waiter.

Which place is that?

I remember when Ichiban switched to iPads and optimistically fired about 30% of their wait staff, presumably after drinking the kool aid. The service was horrendous until they hired them back.

Re: No tipping means better business

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Post by nicolas_t »

okonomiyaki3000 wrote: post #75

Having lived in Japan for a long time, I kind of dread visiting America because of the whole nonsense of tipping (and lot of other reasons, really). There's simply no concept of it here and yet the service is excellent. I don't know what the typical wage is but I know people who work in service jobs and seem to have a lot more disposable income than their counterparts in the US. I also know people who work as servers…

The wages for waiter are not very high, when I was a student there (12 years ago) I was paid 720 yens per hour (not in Tokyo though, I imagine wages there are higher). I think the reason people here tend to have more disposable income is that a lot of people live with their parents and the fact that the cost of life is not as high as in the US.

I do agree with you though, I dislike tipping and I find the service in Japan without tipping to be better than the service in US with tipping. For waiters in the US, from what I've seen so far they are overpaid compared to the kitchen staff in restaurants because tips are not distributed fairly (and by law in some states, the kitchen staff cannot get a percentage of the tip). In Japan, it's the contrary, the kitchen staff would tend to be better paid (and more respected) than the waiters.

Re: No tipping means better business

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Post by [deleted] »

okonomiyaki3000 wrote: post #75

Having lived in Japan for a long time, I kind of dread visiting America because of the whole nonsense of tipping (and lot of other reasons, really). There's simply no concept of it here and yet the service is excellent. I don't know what the typical wage is but I know people who work in service jobs and seem to have a lot more disposable income than their counterparts in the US. I also know people who work as servers…

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Re: No tipping means better business

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Post by throwaway30102 »

I'm astonished by the number of people here who feel some sort of psychological pressure or discomfort from tipping. Just relax, smile and give (or don't) something like 10%.

It isn't that big of a deal.

EDIT: Apparently I offended someone who is unable to function in the real world.

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