Update on Multi-Process Firefox • Hacker News Board

Re: Update on Multi-Process Firefox

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Post by tannhaeuser » Thu, Dec 22, 2016, 3:06 PM UTC

DonHopkins wrote: post #48

chrisper wrote: post #32

Does anyone know what the incentive behind the development of Firefox is at this point? Like, Chrome has such a huge browser market share, so why do they still develop Firefox? I assume it is not that feasible to invest time and money if the share is only 4%. I am just curious, and not trying to hate on Firefox. But I think most (?) non-tech people use Chrome. So maybe I am asking, what is the point of Firefox if the…

In the excellent Dr. Dobb's Journal interview "A Triumph of Simplicity: James Clark on Markup Languages and XML" [1], they ask him: DDJ: You're well known for writing very good reference implementations for SGML and XML Standards. How important is it for these reference implementations to be good implementations as opposed to just something that works? JC: Having a reference implementation that's too good can actuall…

Hey, thanks for the link; I didn't know it, believing I knew all SGML resources.

(I'm the fool having actually implemented SGML -- no less -- in Javascript).

Re: Update on Multi-Process Firefox

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Post by phjesusthatguy3 » Thu, Dec 22, 2016, 3:21 PM UTC

FreeFull wrote: post #81

bgwhn wrote: post #12

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You can figure out what add-ons are compatible by cross-referencing http://www.arewee10syet.com/

Seems the only addon I use that isn't compatible is "Disable Ctrl-Q Shortcut". It's an addon I really don't want to get rid of, there have been many cases in the past where I've accidentally pressed ctrl+q instead of ctrl+w, and had Firefox quit on me.. Edit: The page for the addon has a comment saying it does work with multiprocess, so I just forced it on. I'm on Linux, and I don't know of an about:config key to dis…

Does anyone know of such an extension for Chrome and Alt-F4? Chrome seems to handle that all by itself on Debian, which is silly because my window manager doesn't use that for "Close Window".

Re: Update on Multi-Process Firefox

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Post by stuaxo » Thu, Dec 22, 2016, 3:42 PM UTC

FreeFull wrote: post #81

bgwhn wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can figure out what add-ons are compatible by cross-referencing http://www.arewee10syet.com/

Seems the only addon I use that isn't compatible is "Disable Ctrl-Q Shortcut". It's an addon I really don't want to get rid of, there have been many cases in the past where I've accidentally pressed ctrl+q instead of ctrl+w, and had Firefox quit on me.. Edit: The page for the addon has a comment saying it does work with multiprocess, so I just forced it on. I'm on Linux, and I don't know of an about:config key to dis…

It's worth letting the addon author know if you haven't already.

Re: Update on Multi-Process Firefox

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Post by Ar-Curunir » Thu, Dec 22, 2016, 3:57 PM UTC

proaralyst wrote: post #147

Ar-Curunir wrote: post #107

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VimFX has been a more than capable substitute.

I just took a gander: no tab-search, the keybindings are closer to Vimium than plain vim and no external editor. Also the hinting is _slow_ - it takes a second to render the link hints on the hacker news home page. How are you dealing with all of that?

To be honest the only thing I miss is tab search; you can modify the keybindings as you wish. I don't use hints as much as I used to.

Maybe my browsing style has changed; more reading and less clicking.

Re: Update on Multi-Process Firefox

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Post by hvk » Thu, Dec 22, 2016, 4:46 PM UTC

FreeFull wrote: post #81

bgwhn wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can figure out what add-ons are compatible by cross-referencing http://www.arewee10syet.com/

Seems the only addon I use that isn't compatible is "Disable Ctrl-Q Shortcut". It's an addon I really don't want to get rid of, there have been many cases in the past where I've accidentally pressed ctrl+q instead of ctrl+w, and had Firefox quit on me.. Edit: The page for the addon has a comment saying it does work with multiprocess, so I just forced it on. I'm on Linux, and I don't know of an about:config key to dis…

Same. Just found:

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/ctrl-shift-q-...

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/disable-ctrl-... (not yet reviewed)

Re: Update on Multi-Process Firefox

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Post by cpeterso » Thu, Dec 22, 2016, 5:28 PM UTC

pwg wrote: post #144

cpeterso wrote: post #129

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I tried the "WhatFont" bookmarklet, which inspect DOM elements and reports the fonts used. It works for me in Firefox Nightly 53 with e10s enabled. http://www.chengyinliu.com/whatfont.html

Just tested Firefox Nightly 53 with the three bookmarklets I use most often, they all work in 53. Therefore it must have been a bug with the 51 version.

What are some of the bookmarklets and sites you are testing? I'm not able to reproduce the failure with the "WhatFont" bookmarklet in Firefox 50-53.

Re: Update on Multi-Process Firefox

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Post by sp332 » Thu, Dec 22, 2016, 5:35 PM UTC

mdekkers wrote: post #124

bgwhn wrote: post #12

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You can figure out what add-ons are compatible by cross-referencing http://www.arewee10syet.com/

That site listed a few of my addons as incompatible, but turned out that that site hasn't been updated in a while. Example, it lists Lastpass as incompatible, but it works just fine for me.

Lastpass definitely was rough at the beginning, but it's been stable for months for me. And I'm one of the crazy ones running multiple content processes.

Re: Update on Multi-Process Firefox

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Post by JamesSwift » Thu, Dec 22, 2016, 6:20 PM UTC

Twirrim wrote: post #66

neves wrote: post #17

How do I know if my extensions are multiprocess compatible?

Install https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/add-on-compat... and go to your add-on page and it'll tell you.

It should be noted that 'compatible' is not actually the tested compatibility, it's whether or not the add-on author has declared that it is compatible within their manifest.

Re: Update on Multi-Process Firefox

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Post by lukaa » Thu, Dec 22, 2016, 6:48 PM UTC

saberworks wrote: post #8

It would be really nice if the addons/extensions page showed which addons were listed as compatible and which weren't. I might thus make a decision to disable/delete an addon or two that were blocking me from using multiprocess firefox. As it is, I have no idea if my firefox is using multiprocess at all. All I know is that I use a lot of addons and I'm probably not, then, using multiprocess.

I forced multiprocessing anyway but i don't know is there any bad effect.

Re: Update on Multi-Process Firefox

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Post by lomnakkus » Thu, Dec 22, 2016, 8:02 PM UTC

baby wrote: post #131

swenn wrote: post #71

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An alternative vertical tab bar I discovered some time ago is Tab Center ( https://testpilot.firefox.com/experiments/tab-center ). Although still a little buggy, I switched over from Tree Style Tab. It feels better IMO and I really didn't care about the "tree style" of TST, I just felt the need for a vertical tab bar.

I tried it and unfortunately no nested tabs :/

I must admit I don't really understand the use case here. (Vertical, obviously, because you can exploit the wide screens we "all" have.) Can you explain why you want nested tabs?