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Update on Multi-Process Firefox

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Re: Update on Multi-Process Firefox

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Looks like accessibility tools (e.g. screen readers) also disable multi-process support as of Firefox 50. I know enough about accessibility APIs and their implementations to guess that it's going to be difficult to modify that code to work efficiently in a multi-process configuration.`

Edit: I'm talking about Windows. Don't know about other platforms.

Re: Update on Multi-Process Firefox

#32
Does anyone know what the incentive behind the development of Firefox is at this point? Like, Chrome has such a huge browser market share, so why do they still develop Firefox? I assume it is not that feasible to invest time and money if the share is only 4%.

I am just curious, and not trying to hate on Firefox. But I think most (?) non-tech people use Chrome. So maybe I am asking, what is the point of Firefox if the shares are so low?

Again, not trying to hate on it, but I am just curious for the reasons, which I am sure are valid.

Re: Update on Multi-Process Firefox

#33

Does anyone know what the incentive behind the development of Firefox is at this point? Like, Chrome has such a huge browser market share, so why do they still develop Firefox? I assume it is not that feasible to invest time and money if the share is only 4%. I am just curious, and not trying to hate on Firefox. But I think most (?) non-tech people use Chrome. So maybe I am asking, what is the point of Firefox if the…

Because competition is a good thing. I personally wouldn't want the fate of web standards solely dictated by Google. Also, I'm not sure where you got that number, but Firefox's market share is well above 4% for most websites.

Re: Update on Multi-Process Firefox

#34

Does anyone know what the incentive behind the development of Firefox is at this point? Like, Chrome has such a huge browser market share, so why do they still develop Firefox? I assume it is not that feasible to invest time and money if the share is only 4%. I am just curious, and not trying to hate on Firefox. But I think most (?) non-tech people use Chrome. So maybe I am asking, what is the point of Firefox if the…

There was a time where Chrome was the up and comer with very low market-share.

We need competition or we will suffer as end users.

Chrome's time will also come eventually. It's not a matter of if, but when. Vivaldi and Brave are growing and coming along very nicely. Brave is actually spearheaded by the ex CEO of Mozilla before he was fired for some nonsense.

https://brave.com/

Re: Update on Multi-Process Firefox

#35

Does anyone know what the incentive behind the development of Firefox is at this point? Like, Chrome has such a huge browser market share, so why do they still develop Firefox? I assume it is not that feasible to invest time and money if the share is only 4%. I am just curious, and not trying to hate on Firefox. But I think most (?) non-tech people use Chrome. So maybe I am asking, what is the point of Firefox if the…

Firefox has more than a 4% market share[0][1]. One of the main reasons I've heard, is that it's free, and that the Mozilla Foundation is a non-profit.

I also just found this bit, that explains how some browsers might be over or under estimated, because of how their internals work[2]. So we really don't know what the market shares really are.

[0]http://gs.statcounter.com/#browser-ww-yearly-2008-2016

[1]https://www.w3counter.com/globalstats.php

[2]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_share_of_web_browsers#Ac...

Re: Update on Multi-Process Firefox

#36

Does anyone know what the incentive behind the development of Firefox is at this point? Like, Chrome has such a huge browser market share, so why do they still develop Firefox? I assume it is not that feasible to invest time and money if the share is only 4%. I am just curious, and not trying to hate on Firefox. But I think most (?) non-tech people use Chrome. So maybe I am asking, what is the point of Firefox if the…

Because competition is a good thing. I personally wouldn't want the fate of web standards solely dictated by Google. Also, I'm not sure where you got that number, but Firefox's market share is well above 4% for most websites.

I looked here: https://www.netmarketshare.com/browser-market-share.aspx?qpr...

It seemed valid, but maybe not. Do you know a better source?

EDIT: Others have provided better sources!

Re: Update on Multi-Process Firefox

#37

Does anyone know what the incentive behind the development of Firefox is at this point? Like, Chrome has such a huge browser market share, so why do they still develop Firefox? I assume it is not that feasible to invest time and money if the share is only 4%. I am just curious, and not trying to hate on Firefox. But I think most (?) non-tech people use Chrome. So maybe I am asking, what is the point of Firefox if the…

My impression is that the bulk of Mozilla's financial backing is from competitors to Google (Yahoo, Baidu, Yandex), who have an interest in preventing Google from gaining a monopoly in the browser market.

I think Mozilla employees choose to continue working on Firefox for similar reasons, though with more idealism: they have an interest in the browser market not being dominated by commercial vendors.

Re: Update on Multi-Process Firefox

#38

Does anyone know what the incentive behind the development of Firefox is at this point? Like, Chrome has such a huge browser market share, so why do they still develop Firefox? I assume it is not that feasible to invest time and money if the share is only 4%. I am just curious, and not trying to hate on Firefox. But I think most (?) non-tech people use Chrome. So maybe I am asking, what is the point of Firefox if the…

First of all, by common measurements Firefox's market share is more like 13.5% [1], not the 4% you mentioned. According to that link Firefox is the #2 browser, ahead of Microsoft and Apple's browsers.

Second, Mozilla is a non-profit, so the incentives are different that the usual ones. Basically Mozilla wants to help the open web. A 13.5% browser can do that in many ways: drive new standards, provide an alternative to browsers from profit-driven corporations, provide an alternative implementation so the web doesn't end up as a monoculture, etc. etc.

[1] http://gs.statcounter.com/

Re: Update on Multi-Process Firefox

#39

Does anyone know what the incentive behind the development of Firefox is at this point? Like, Chrome has such a huge browser market share, so why do they still develop Firefox? I assume it is not that feasible to invest time and money if the share is only 4%. I am just curious, and not trying to hate on Firefox. But I think most (?) non-tech people use Chrome. So maybe I am asking, what is the point of Firefox if the…

Firefox has more than a 4% market share[0][1]. One of the main reasons I've heard, is that it's free, and that the Mozilla Foundation is a non-profit. I also just found this bit, that explains how some browsers might be over or under estimated, because of how their internals work[2]. So we really don't know what the market shares really are. [0] http://gs.statcounter.com/#browser-ww-yearly-2008-2016 [1] https://www.w…

Oh. I guess the source I used was garbage. I just typed in Firefox browser share on google and looked at the first result and it looked legit.

It seems their share is shrinking quite fast though.

Re: Update on Multi-Process Firefox

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because competition is a good thing. I personally wouldn't want the fate of web standards solely dictated by Google. Also, I'm not sure where you got that number, but Firefox's market share is well above 4% for most websites.

I looked here: https://www.netmarketshare.com/browser-market-share.aspx?qpr... It seemed valid, but maybe not. Do you know a better source? EDIT: Others have provided better sources!

Each individual version is broken down separately in that chart, so you're looking at the market share for Firefox 49 specifically. The broader number seems to be closer to 11%. Anecdotally, people and organizations that aren't tech-savvy are more likely to use Firefox as well, so it just depends on the target audience.
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