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How Apple Alienated Mac Loyalists

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Re: How Apple Alienated Mac Loyalists

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matthewmacleod wrote: post #402

I've started to wonder if I'm the only one who isn't understanding the problem in general. The MacBook is fine – the new models are quite expensive, and I'm sure having to carry some dongles could be annoying, but it's a lovely machine and there are obvious reasons and long-term benefits for those choices. I'll definitely consider purchasing one when the next refresh allows the processor and memory options to be bump…

I think a lot of Mac users are forgetting how awful the Windows ecosystem still is. One gets used to everything mostly working and think that that's how it is on the other side, too.

Meanwhile, one guy I know bought a new Windows laptop to replace his flaky older one. On the new computer, audio doesn't work. Programs load slowly (~10 minutes to start up software that takes 10 seconds for me). It turned out the flakiness of the old laptop wasn't its age or power, it was the software. Lots of folks have stories like this. There's still a huge amount of uncertainty in that world.

Re: How Apple Alienated Mac Loyalists

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Post by trome »

rdw wrote: post #411
matthewmacleod wrote: post #402

I've started to wonder if I'm the only one who isn't understanding the problem in general. The MacBook is fine – the new models are quite expensive, and I'm sure having to carry some dongles could be annoying, but it's a lovely machine and there are obvious reasons and long-term benefits for those choices. I'll definitely consider purchasing one when the next refresh allows the processor and memory options to be bump…

I think a lot of Mac users are forgetting how awful the Windows ecosystem still is. One gets used to everything mostly working and think that that's how it is on the other side, too. Meanwhile, one guy I know bought a new Windows laptop to replace his flaky older one. On the new computer, audio doesn't work. Programs load slowly (~10 minutes to start up software that takes 10 seconds for me). It turned out the flakin…

Is his "new" machine using spinning rust for Win10? Cause that is what it sounds like, I don't get why people inflict non-SSD computers on themselves, its just a positively awful experience.

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Post by grillvogel »

deedubaya wrote: post #13

I still think macOS/OSX provides the best user experience for personal computing. It's the lack of substantial hardware updates which is driving users away. If creatives are going to pay a premium for a Mac, there should be something to differentiate it between the competition besides the privilege to run macOS. Heck, it should have something to differentiate it from the last model! I'll still recommend Macs for my f…

>I still think macOS/OSX provides the best user experience for personal computing.

I don't know anymore. i use a mac for work and im hitting so many more weird bugs than I used to.

Re: How Apple Alienated Mac Loyalists

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Post by 72deluxe »

elliotec wrote: post #236
72deluxe wrote: post #201

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I agree. I am keeping my 2012 i7 MBP for a few more years. Upgraded to 16GB RAM, 1TB SSD, still got a useful DVD writer and plethora of incredibly useful ports all without dongles! And MagSafe.

How do you upgrade like that? I have one of the same models.

The RAM involves taking the bottom off and shoving in some more sticks. Officially this can only support a maximum of 8GB but I have had no problem with 16GB.

For the hard disk, it is fairly trivial too. Follow iFixit's guide:

https://www.ifixit.com/Guide/MacBook+Pro+15-Inch+Unibody+Mid...

I went with a Samsung 850 EVO 1TB.

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Post by 72deluxe »

beat wrote: post #275
72deluxe wrote: post #182

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Do they all still have abysmal screen resolutions? All the ones I keep seeing have resolutions from the 1990s.

The one I got my mother has 1920x1280. I set that as a minimum requirement, because the cheap Windows junker I bought her four years ago had that resolution.

That's good to hear - actually a better resolution than my 2012 MacBook (should have got the higher res one but with DVD drive).

What make/model is that Chromebook, out of interest?

Re: How Apple Alienated Mac Loyalists

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Post by chmaynard »

I remember someone at Apple saying that Steve Jobs believed the company (as constituted when he was alive) should not try to support more than two operating systems concurrently. Last time I counted, they were supporting four.

Re: How Apple Alienated Mac Loyalists

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Post by akamaka »

davidf18 wrote: post #75

Admittedly, for my needs the 15" models are not great. Writing and some computer programming/big data. I prefer longer battery life and a lighter/smaller 15" unit. The new unit claims to have about 2 hours more battery life than the 2015 model (see tables of battery life near end) [1]. Also important to me is nearby Apple stores to get my Mac problems looked into if I need it. Could somebody please be specific as to…

The new model is not improving CPU performance (https://browser.primatelabs.com/mac-benchmarks). Also, losing the escape key is painful, and I still frequently use devices that don't have USB-C connectors.

I did an all-around comparison and chose to buy last year's model instead. I can't think of a previous occasion when a new Apple product was worse for me than the one that it replaces.

Re: How Apple Alienated Mac Loyalists

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Post by cm2187 »

givinguflac wrote: post #372
bsder wrote: post #314

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If only there were a wired protocol that is high-speed, has a standard connector, can deliver power, and has both bandwidth and latency controls ... wouldn't that be wonderful? Then we wouldn't have to reinvent all of these wires. (Yes, sarcasm. That protocol is called Ethernet. And basically every high-speed interface we currently have is a bad reimplementation of it for political reasons.)

Good luck with 40Gb/s speeds or pushing 100W on ethernet. (Sure you could use HDBaseT for 100W but we're talking about getting rid of adapters right?) It's definitely not just for political reasons, that's disingenuous at best.

Is there any reason we couldn't switch to a dual optic fibre (for signal) and copper (for power) ethernet?

Re: How Apple Alienated Mac Loyalists

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Post by shripadk »

Just open source macOS and let us build our own machines. Or at least do what Microsoft is doing and sell macOS independent of Mac. Apple doesn't seem to care about the Macs anymore anyways. Wish Steve was still alive and running the show.

Re: How Apple Alienated Mac Loyalists

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Post by TheOneTrueKyle »

snoman wrote: post #287
dkonofalski wrote: post #265

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I think the point, though, is that your hand wouldn't naturally rest on the table near the screen like that. The main reason you're comfortable doing that is because you know you can scroll with your hand in that position. The natural resting position would be to relax your hands off the keyboard after typing and that puts it squarely in the area of the (comically) huge trackpad.

The hundreds of millions of people that have used a mouse can attest to how 'natural' it is.

Enjoy your rheumatory problems in the future
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