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Re: How Apple Alienated Mac Loyalists

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Post by threeseed »

beat wrote: post #271
bluejekyll wrote: post #213

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You don't have to upgrade. Don't upgrade... but if you do, there are adapters for you that will allow you to continue using your old gear.

It's not just hardware. Apple has officially abandoned Firewire protocol maintenance. We're okay at the moment, but how many more MacOS upgrades will we have where Firewire still works? And I'm not an outlier case. There are a lot of audio professionals and semi-pros that depend on old Firewire interfaces. These were Apple's market for selling high-end laptops! This is basically just disregard for your oldest and fra…

FireWire is a EOL technology at this point so why would they be continuing to work on the protocol ?

And actually you aren't Apple's most profitable customer since you are still clamouring for old technologies. It's early adopters that upgrade every year that are the most valuable to Apple.

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Post by yuethomas »

dkonofalski wrote: post #377
yuethomas wrote: post #357

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Not to suggest you're wrong, but the picture you linked is one of Surface Studio. (There are other things wrong with that machine that I won't get into.) Do you have any evidence regarding the fit and finish of the Surface Pro (which was what the original question was about) wrt Macbook Pros? Again, not saying you're wrong, just the picture you linked doesn't say that. Edit: changed Surface Book to Surface Pro

Ugh. I am totally off my game today. Here's the ports on the Surface Pro ( https://cdn2.macworld.co.uk/cmsdata/reviews/3648915/new_macb... ) It may not even be a fair comparison since the Surface has to accommodate the screen going in either direction and the design plays a big part in the visual appeal for the Macbooks, but it just doesn't look as polished to me. Again, I think the only way to really see and feel th…

Thank you for the updated picture. That is now the Surface Book (not the Surface Pro). Maybe third time's the charm? :)

I happen to live in the Bay Area, and there's a mall here where there are an Apple Store and a MS store literally opposite each other. I've fondled both laptops (MBP, Surface Book -- never was a big fan of the Surface Pro) and my impressions about the hardware were as follows:

1) The new MBP is really just that, the new MBP. The touch strip novelty factor wore off for me very quickly. The build quality is nice (to be expected of MBPs, surely) although I did feel like sometimes the screen didn't want to close all the way in. I think the fact that it only has USB-C ports is going to bug me, a lot.

2) I didn't really know what to expect for the Surface Book. I was pleasantly surprised by the hinge -- it's very solid. Weight distribution is a concern; the laptop is definitely top heavy due to its motherboard placement behind the screen. The screen latch is cool but I have concerns about longevity, although it felt /really/ solid. I tried to separate the screen without unlatching it and there was no give.

To my untrained eyes, I'd say the new MBP and the Surface Book are about on par, build quality wise. Admittedly I didn't take a good look at the port cutouts on the Surface Book to see if they line up.

WRT Surface Pro, I just don't feel like I'm the target audience. I type very quickly and very loudly, and I would probably break the type cover in short order. The touch pad is too small for me. For these reasons I never gave it a fair shake, so I don't have much to say about its build quality.

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Post by [deleted] »

dkonofalski wrote: post #377
yuethomas wrote: post #357

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Not to suggest you're wrong, but the picture you linked is one of Surface Studio. (There are other things wrong with that machine that I won't get into.) Do you have any evidence regarding the fit and finish of the Surface Pro (which was what the original question was about) wrt Macbook Pros? Again, not saying you're wrong, just the picture you linked doesn't say that. Edit: changed Surface Book to Surface Pro

Ugh. I am totally off my game today. Here's the ports on the Surface Pro ( https://cdn2.macworld.co.uk/cmsdata/reviews/3648915/new_macb... ) It may not even be a fair comparison since the Surface has to accommodate the screen going in either direction and the design plays a big part in the visual appeal for the Macbooks, but it just doesn't look as polished to me. Again, I think the only way to really see and feel th…

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Post by xanderstrike »

Keyframe wrote: post #364
zeusk wrote: post #308

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--- 2016 Razer Blade ($2,099) 16 GB System Memory (DDR4, 2133 MHz) NVIDIA® GeForce® GTX 1060 (6GB GDDR5 VRAM) Intel® Core i7-6700HQ Quad-Core Processor (2.6GHz / 3.5GHz) 256GB (PCIe M.2) options for 512/1024 14.0-in. IGZO QHD+, 3200x1800, capacitive multi-touch http://www.razerzone.com/store/razer-blade#QHD+%20-%20256GB What you linked to isn't 2016 Blade.

That's not $2,099. It's 2,999.99€ What's the battery and noise/heat level like on those?

> What's the battery and noise/heat level like on those?

If you have to ask this question, a gaming laptop is not for you.

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Post by nogridbag »

muninn_ wrote: post #332
beat wrote: post #147

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This Luddite has rather a lot of money invested in a professional grade audio interface. Replacing it with modern connectivity would be upwards of a thousand dollars. Ouch. And it works perfectly. Why am I throwing away hardware that I like and trust for the relentless march to the future? Any recording interface more substantial than a headphone jack is wired. It's going to remain that way for a while. Audio is a qu…

You as the individual don't matter. Parts will fail, components will need to be replaced, time moves forward. The future will be those same devices (or similar) using a single cable that will be compatible with everything, or it will be wireless. If for some reason it's not, then you just buy an adapter (which people do now anyway). Your view is short-sighted. You're saying "What about me? What about right now?".

One single cable or one single port? I thought the problem with the USB Type-C port was that there is a myriad of different USB C cables that "fit" into the port but each cable has different capabilities and thus your device may only work with a certain USB C cable.

http://blog.fosketts.net/2016/10/29/total-nightmare-usb-c-th...

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Post by errantspark »

duaneb wrote: post #214
muninn_ wrote: post #124

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We're living in a transitory period as we move from a world of wires and connectors to a wireless world. This is the pain we have to endure as technology is pushed forward. If it were up to the luddites and their obsession with compatibility, a laptop would have a dvd drive, firewire, usb-a, usb-c, thunderbolt, hdmi, dvi, vga, sd, microsd,vga, and display port all in one laptop chassis. Having one single port, that c…

This is exactly the type of attitude that makes me dread the future. Why invest in technology at all? Wires are great, honestly. Easy to debug and use. The original zero config.

I can't agree more. Wires are the best. Unfortunately we're in the rapidly shrinking minority. Most people would rather put up with regressions in reliability and debugability in the name of ease of use.

I lived in a house with several roomates for a year or so, and I never ever had a problem with the internet because I used an ethernet cable. My roomates went through 3 wireless routers and a wireless repeater and they were never able to completely solve the myriad of issues that comes with wireless technology on a congested spectrum.

It really boggles my mind that they'd allow themselves to be frustrated, waste many combined hours of their life troubleshooting, and spend hundreds of dollars on network hardware when the solution is SO SIMPLE and dates back to 1970s.

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Post by olegkikin »

strictnein wrote: post #360
olegkikin wrote: post #121

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Why not get a cheap powerful desktop for heavyweight processing, and a cheap lightweight laptop for mobility? $3K is a ridiculous amount of money considering modern options. Examples: Dual Xeon E5-2690 + 64GB RAM + 1TB HDD = $1250 http://www.ebay.com/itm/391654102568 Dual Xeon X5670 + 128GB RAM + 2TB HDD = $1600 http://www.ebay.com/itm/361745717969 Dual Xeon E5-2670 + 128GB RAM + 8TB HDD = $1900 http://www.ebay.com/i…

Those are some really interesting options. I recently picked up a new Asus Zenbook ux330ua (basically Macbook Air, but significantly better specs and ~$500 less) for mobile use and was going to start looking for a new desktop option. I really like building my own systems, so buying one prebuilt would be strange, but that's some serious hardware for pretty nice prices.

You could, but you have to be really careful with the motherboard socket, because Intel went a bit crazy with LGA2011:

http://www.anandtech.com/show/7773/intels-three-versions-of-...

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Post by retromario »

vintageseltzer wrote: post #269

After 15 years of doing so, I can no longer tell people that the quality of Apple's products are worth the cost. I waited three years to upgrade from my late-2013 MBP and I see no improvements of value in the new version. The new MBPs have seemingly worse battery life, the RAM is the same, ports I use every day are gone, and now their "portable" laptop requires you to carry around a bunch of adapters and wires. The t…

Why would you continue to hold shares in a company you believe has lost their way?

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Post by nilkn »

charrondev wrote: post #279
nilkn wrote: post #207

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I couldn't agree more. The Surface Pro and Surface Book are in a completely different (lower) category of build quality compared to the new MBP. Also, the touchpads on the Surface products are nowhere near as good as I was led to expect from online comments. The Surface touchpads are passable at best by late 2016 standards and, again, are in a different category than the new MBP trackpads.

I have a retina Macbook Pro (15") that I absolutely love, but I have to say the touchpad on the new MacBook Pros just doesn't feel right to me. I've played with them in the store, and maybe I could get used to it, but its mostly the size. It just seems overly large and my palms end up on it. Although to be honest I use my MacBook with a couple of dell p2715q's hooked to it, and I use a magic trackpad and keyboard sep…

I'll admit the touchpad on the new 15" seemed comically large at first. I actually laughed a bit when I first saw it.

Now I'm used to it though and really appreciate the extra size. Granted, I use BetterTouchTool a lot with lots of custom gestures.

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Post by kupiakos »

tech2 wrote: post #284
avn2109 wrote: post #225

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Yeah but you paid the money, reliability, and weight penalties for a touchscreen for no reason.

I bought the Dell XPS 13 with the hidpi display. I didn't buy it for the touchscreen and I couldn't buy it without if I wanted the resolution. I'd have happily paid less for the same resolution but longer battery life (low power for driving the touch sensor and more for driving the display to a greater brightness to support the same display brightness). I figure I should have put up with a lower resolution display tb…

Personally, I find FHD on a 13-inch screen perfectly fine. One might be able to distinguish between FHD and QHD on the screen, but definitely not at a regular viewing distance. This way, I don't have to deal with any of the issues that HiDPI typically brings as well.

What I really wanted was a non-touch FHD Developer Edition with Rose Gold, but c'est la vie. It's been one of my favorite laptops.

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