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Re: How Apple Alienated Mac Loyalists

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Post by foxhill »

jjoonathan wrote: post #356
bsder wrote: post #314

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If only there were a wired protocol that is high-speed, has a standard connector, can deliver power, and has both bandwidth and latency controls ... wouldn't that be wonderful? Then we wouldn't have to reinvent all of these wires. (Yes, sarcasm. That protocol is called Ethernet. And basically every high-speed interface we currently have is a bad reimplementation of it for political reasons.)

How I long for the day when I can configure the subnet mask of my mouse, the mDNS settings of my graphics card, and the routing table of my PCH! (Yes, sarcasm. Two can play.)

ethernet has as much to do with TCP/IP and DNS as does radio waves with FM radio.

ethernet is a wire protocol upon which a TCP/IP stack runs on top of. if USB looked a lot more like ethernet, it would be far easier to write drivers for devices.

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Post by givinguflac »

bsder wrote: post #314
stuckagain wrote: post #95

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Does a USB-C to FireWire exist?

If only there were a wired protocol that is high-speed, has a standard connector, can deliver power, and has both bandwidth and latency controls ... wouldn't that be wonderful? Then we wouldn't have to reinvent all of these wires. (Yes, sarcasm. That protocol is called Ethernet. And basically every high-speed interface we currently have is a bad reimplementation of it for political reasons.)

Good luck with 40Gb/s speeds or pushing 100W on ethernet. (Sure you could use HDBaseT for 100W but we're talking about getting rid of adapters right?) It's definitely not just for political reasons, that's disingenuous at best.

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Post by vlod »

bshep wrote: post #354
vlod wrote: post #328

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Would you mind adding a pcpartpicker list. I think I might go down this route. Thanks!

Not the original poster, but I also built a hackintosh in the last 2 months and its working great, here's the PCpartpicker list ($1350 without monitor): https://pcpartpicker.com/user/bshep/saved/xgn7P6 The only issue was getting the video card to work correctly and that was pretty easy after finding a tutorial on tonymac.

thanks a lot!

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bshep wrote: post #354
vlod wrote: post #328

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Would you mind adding a pcpartpicker list. I think I might go down this route. Thanks!

Not the original poster, but I also built a hackintosh in the last 2 months and its working great, here's the PCpartpicker list ($1350 without monitor): https://pcpartpicker.com/user/bshep/saved/xgn7P6 The only issue was getting the video card to work correctly and that was pretty easy after finding a tutorial on tonymac.

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Post by givinguflac »

beat wrote: post #147
muninn_ wrote: post #124

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We're living in a transitory period as we move from a world of wires and connectors to a wireless world. This is the pain we have to endure as technology is pushed forward. If it were up to the luddites and their obsession with compatibility, a laptop would have a dvd drive, firewire, usb-a, usb-c, thunderbolt, hdmi, dvi, vga, sd, microsd,vga, and display port all in one laptop chassis. Having one single port, that c…

This Luddite has rather a lot of money invested in a professional grade audio interface. Replacing it with modern connectivity would be upwards of a thousand dollars. Ouch. And it works perfectly. Why am I throwing away hardware that I like and trust for the relentless march to the future? Any recording interface more substantial than a headphone jack is wired. It's going to remain that way for a while. Audio is a qu…

Many inexpensive USB C docks will have firewire. And I've used fw interfaces in the past for audio, I honestly prefer newer options but hey if it works just don't update anything and you'll be find until it dies.

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Post by humbleMouse »

72deluxe wrote: post #201
systemtest wrote: post #15

Sacrificing the keyboard and battery for a thinner housing was a mistake. I upgraded my Macbook Pro 13" with 16GB of memory, a 250GB SSD, a 1TB HDD and a Bluetooth 4.0 internal card. I'll keep this for a few years.

I agree. I am keeping my 2012 i7 MBP for a few more years. Upgraded to 16GB RAM, 1TB SSD, still got a useful DVD writer and plethora of incredibly useful ports all without dongles! And MagSafe.

Samsies. I love my 2012 i7 MBP. I did the same upgrades as you, super easy and it runs everything I need! To the other commenter - upgrading the hard drive to a SSD is easy, you just need a mini screwdriver and the new hard drive. Protip - I put a small piece of foam in when I replaced my HDD because the solid states are so much smaller than the spinning drives.

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Post by dkonofalski »

yuethomas wrote: post #357
dkonofalski wrote: post #281

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While I agree with you on a few points, I think it gets drowned out by the ring of anti-fanboyism too. The build quality on MacBooks is well-known in the industry and, if you go to a Microsoft Store (or own one), it's readily visible that the build quality isn't on par. Don't get me wrong, it's really good, but it's not MacBook good. This isn't the greatest example because I don't own one, but look at this shot ( htt…

Not to suggest you're wrong, but the picture you linked is one of Surface Studio. (There are other things wrong with that machine that I won't get into.) Do you have any evidence regarding the fit and finish of the Surface Pro (which was what the original question was about) wrt Macbook Pros? Again, not saying you're wrong, just the picture you linked doesn't say that. Edit: changed Surface Book to Surface Pro

Ugh. I am totally off my game today. Here's the ports on the Surface Pro (https://cdn2.macworld.co.uk/cmsdata/reviews/3648915/new_macb...)

It may not even be a fair comparison since the Surface has to accommodate the screen going in either direction and the design plays a big part in the visual appeal for the Macbooks, but it just doesn't look as polished to me. Again, I think the only way to really see and feel the difference is to go to a Microsoft Store and check it out for yourself. If you're lucky enough to have an Apple Store and a Microsoft Store near each other, it'll be even more obvious, in my opinion.

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Post by david-given »

dkonofalski wrote: post #265
snoman wrote: post #141

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You're starting to sound like one of those funny infomercials where everything is black and white and the actor fumbles with some overtly awkward action, that is otherwise mundane... Holding their outstretched arm up over their head with their other arm, a grimace of strain on their face, trying to scroll with their pinky finger. All the while the voice-over is asking why you'd subject yourself to this. It's a, very…

I think the point, though, is that your hand wouldn't naturally rest on the table near the screen like that. The main reason you're comfortable doing that is because you know you can scroll with your hand in that position. The natural resting position would be to relax your hands off the keyboard after typing and that puts it squarely in the area of the (comically) huge trackpad.

I'm reading this right now (well, thirty seconds ago, before I started typing) on a touch-screen Chromebook. My right hand was resting on the table in a vertical orientation with the edge of my hand on the table, my finger loosely resting on the back of the screen, and my thumb on the touchscreen scrolling up and down. Very smooth, very natural.

Conversely, scrolling up and down this text box using the trackpad is tiny, cramped, constrained motions of my finger on the touchpad.

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Post by beat »

muninn_ wrote: post #332
beat wrote: post #147

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This Luddite has rather a lot of money invested in a professional grade audio interface. Replacing it with modern connectivity would be upwards of a thousand dollars. Ouch. And it works perfectly. Why am I throwing away hardware that I like and trust for the relentless march to the future? Any recording interface more substantial than a headphone jack is wired. It's going to remain that way for a while. Audio is a qu…

You as the individual don't matter. Parts will fail, components will need to be replaced, time moves forward. The future will be those same devices (or similar) using a single cable that will be compatible with everything, or it will be wireless. If for some reason it's not, then you just buy an adapter (which people do now anyway). Your view is short-sighted. You're saying "What about me? What about right now?".

I'm a customer. Of course I matter. They're losing sales because they're not giving me any reason to stay, and multiple reasons to go. That matters.

Suppose I bite the bullet and switch to Windows? Apple's lost me then. They're not going to win me back. And that's not just the Mac. That's maybe my next phone. My next pad. My next router (oh wait, they're getting out of the wireless router game too).

Losing customers who have been with them for decades, who have spent thousands and thousands of dollars on their products and will stop? That fucking well matters.

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Post by ThinkBeat »

beat wrote: post #16

My main computer is a five year old 17" MBP. I've upgraded it to the max and done repairs to maintain it. I need the computational power - I use it for programming, photo editing at scale, and recording/mixing music. It would cost me $3000 to replace it with a computer that is not significantly more powerful, has a smaller screen and less I/O functionality, and would be incompatible with my audio interface unless I d…

What can the Surface do that your Mac cant? Use a pen?

The build quality of the Surface have gotten better with each iteration but they are still far below the Macbooks. I have had 3 of them, and I have a lot of friends that use the Surface due to work. I believe one guy is on his 4 Surface 3 now, due to repeated quality problems in hardware.

I am on my 2 Surface 3 now.

The list of hardware issues for Surface 2 and Surface 3 is long and painful.

I dont have insight into 4 yet, but I am told it is better.

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