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Re: How Apple Alienated Mac Loyalists

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Post by dkonofalski »

vintageseltzer wrote: post #269

After 15 years of doing so, I can no longer tell people that the quality of Apple's products are worth the cost. I waited three years to upgrade from my late-2013 MBP and I see no improvements of value in the new version. The new MBPs have seemingly worse battery life, the RAM is the same, ports I use every day are gone, and now their "portable" laptop requires you to carry around a bunch of adapters and wires. The t…

How is the Apple Watch a joke? It was the best selling wearable device for both series and it has the highest customer satisfaction rating of any wearable. Something like 96% of Apple Watch owners said that they would buy another one.

Re: How Apple Alienated Mac Loyalists

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Post by dmoy »

skykooler wrote: post #253
dmoy wrote: post #142

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I would agree. I would not want to do serious editing on a laptop that costs >2x, has half the ram and like a third of the CPU/GPU power. Just not worth the money and time. So much longer waiting for renders...

Half the ram? Where are you finding a macbook with 32gb of ram?

Ah yea I suppose depending on your workload. I've never hit much more than 30-40G doing editing work, I guess some people might use more.

As always, depends on usage.

Re: How Apple Alienated Mac Loyalists

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Post by guitarbill »

beat wrote: post #271
bluejekyll wrote: post #213

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You don't have to upgrade. Don't upgrade... but if you do, there are adapters for you that will allow you to continue using your old gear.

It's not just hardware. Apple has officially abandoned Firewire protocol maintenance. We're okay at the moment, but how many more MacOS upgrades will we have where Firewire still works? And I'm not an outlier case. There are a lot of audio professionals and semi-pros that depend on old Firewire interfaces. These were Apple's market for selling high-end laptops! This is basically just disregard for your oldest and fra…

out of interest, which platform still has better firewire support? most windows laptops don't have them either.

btw, as someone who didn't use firewire, i hated that port. waste of space, could have used an extra usb port instead. and it wasn't like there was a lot of gear that used it, unlike e.g. ethernet or vga which sometimes came in handy (i also loath vga).

Re: How Apple Alienated Mac Loyalists

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Post by weaksauce »

cookiecaper wrote: post #101
weaksauce wrote: post #47

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The lack of affordable storage in the retina and up laptops and even desktops has been a deal breaker for me. I am on a five year old mbp and am seriously considering a hackintosh to be a daily driver. That's a whole big can of worms though.

Can you identify specifically the critical features of OS X that aren't replicable with a reasonable amount of effort on other systems? I've spent considerable time using all 3 major OSes as daily drivers and while each platform has perks, I've never felt a strong commitment to OS X for daily use. I'm curious what many people feel is so crucial about it that they'd consider switching to the massively unstable Hackint…

It's a lot of little things that add up.

There are a ton of quality utilities that add up to a nice experience.

cmd is a lot nicer than ctrl to use as a base for keyboard shortcuts and the keyboard shortcuts are generally well integrated into the os.

How the operating system handles events enables a lot of the tweaking apps to work well.

I like the single menu bar at the top of the screen.

It's unix under the hood and it has a terminal as a first class citizen. Finder is pretty weak but what can you do? There are some alternatives to finder and the architecture of osx allows for them to exist without causing a bunch of the mac equivalent of "blue screens of death".

I am sure there are some equivalent utilities for windows and linux but I have some mouse gestures that are system wide that I would be severely disappointed not to have anymore.

In general there is a nice little gui that polishes up whatever little utility thing you feel like doing but didn't know.

I am sure I could move to linux if I really needed to but there would be things that I missed quite a bit.

Edit, a few more:

Cmd left and right arrow to go to the beginning and end of a line is great. emacs bindings by default in text areas is nice to have(I think you can turn vi mode on too if you want).

Parallels to use windows when I need to for engineering programs that need it and have it seamlessly work as a mac app is great.

the hardware is of great quality too. (the mac pro before the trashcan was a thoughtful and modular machine that was a joy to work on)

plugging in monitors just works which is great.

Re: How Apple Alienated Mac Loyalists

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Post by weaksauce »

xenihn wrote: post #276
weaksauce wrote: post #47

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The lack of affordable storage in the retina and up laptops and even desktops has been a deal breaker for me. I am on a five year old mbp and am seriously considering a hackintosh to be a daily driver. That's a whole big can of worms though.

I just built a Mini-ITX Hackintosh (dual-booting Windows 10 and Sierra) that is running great if you have any questions or interest concerning the parts I used. They're way better now than they were a few years ago thanks to UEFI installations. No more having to do a complete backup prior to updates and having to fix all your kexts/drivers, or a complete reinstall for upgrading to the next OSX/MacOS major release. Th…

I'd be interested to see your part list and share any experiences you have with it. email is in profile if you don't want to share it here.

Re: How Apple Alienated Mac Loyalists

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Post by dkonofalski »

elliotec wrote: post #235
optimuspaul wrote: post #19

As a Mac Loyalist I don't feel at all alienated. I am not merely a consumer and my life is more than the computer I use. I don't need or want constant attention. I think what they've been doing it great. Frankly I'm more annoying with the bloggers and media with their constant bullying of Apple. The iPhone 7 had just been announced and they were already speculating what the iPhone 8 was going to be. WTF? How about we…

It appears you are in the minority. Apple has disenfranchised a lot of loyalists for a lot of reasons. Think of how absurd it is that you can't even plug in your new iPhone 7 into your new Macbook Pro.

What, really? What happens when you plug it in? Does it tell you that you can't use it? Does it lock you out? Does it brick the phone?

Ohhhh...you meant that you have to get an adapter. Of course you can plug the phone into the new MacBook. The only thing that might be absurd is that you might need an adapter to plug it in but, in reality, there's nothing that you'd really need to plug it in for anyways except to charge it and you get a power brick with every phone.

Re: How Apple Alienated Mac Loyalists

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Post by guitarbill »

electic wrote: post #234
fritzw wrote: post #112

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You had me at scrolling. Apple is in denial. If nothing else it's the number of times I've witnessed someone try to manipulate the OS on a MacBook only to find themselves dumpfounded, "duh it's not a touchscreen". Well maybe it should be

I really think those people would be better off with an iPad. At least that is the skill level you are describing.

Bit harsh on the downvotes, I agree somewhat. There's a disconnect here, I guess myself and electic are still under the impression "Pro" stands for professional. I would hate to sacrifice even more battery life for a touch screen. Fact is, if you use external monitors, touch screens are never going to work very well.

And seriously, if web browsing is your main use-case, a MBP is overkill.

Re: How Apple Alienated Mac Loyalists

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Post by vlod »

xenihn wrote: post #276
weaksauce wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The lack of affordable storage in the retina and up laptops and even desktops has been a deal breaker for me. I am on a five year old mbp and am seriously considering a hackintosh to be a daily driver. That's a whole big can of worms though.

I just built a Mini-ITX Hackintosh (dual-booting Windows 10 and Sierra) that is running great if you have any questions or interest concerning the parts I used. They're way better now than they were a few years ago thanks to UEFI installations. No more having to do a complete backup prior to updates and having to fix all your kexts/drivers, or a complete reinstall for upgrading to the next OSX/MacOS major release. Th…

Would you mind adding a pcpartpicker list. I think I might go down this route. Thanks!

Re: How Apple Alienated Mac Loyalists

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Post by muninn_ »

cwyers wrote: post #243
muninn_ wrote: post #137

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Buy a desktop or a special interface port if you need something specialized.

"Buy a desktop" in a thread about deficiencies in Apple laptops is a joke, right?

It's not a deficiency. Laptops can't do everything. Apple can't build a computer that caters to every edge case. That's why I don't complain that I can't play the latest video games on my laptop, or run 50 VM boxes or something.

Re: How Apple Alienated Mac Loyalists

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Post by muninn_ »

marcosdumay wrote: post #188
muninn_ wrote: post #124

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We're living in a transitory period as we move from a world of wires and connectors to a wireless world. This is the pain we have to endure as technology is pushed forward. If it were up to the luddites and their obsession with compatibility, a laptop would have a dvd drive, firewire, usb-a, usb-c, thunderbolt, hdmi, dvi, vga, sd, microsd,vga, and display port all in one laptop chassis. Having one single port, that c…

Let me see... My laptop has a DVD drive, USB 3 (A), HDMI, SD, and microSD. I already had to buy a DVI adaptor, and already had a VGA one. It works well. I just miss a 4rt USB port.

You know what works better? One cable that does all of that or no cables at all.
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