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How Apple Alienated Mac Loyalists

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Re: How Apple Alienated Mac Loyalists

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Post by mitchty »

duaneb wrote: post #214
muninn_ wrote: post #124

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We're living in a transitory period as we move from a world of wires and connectors to a wireless world. This is the pain we have to endure as technology is pushed forward. If it were up to the luddites and their obsession with compatibility, a laptop would have a dvd drive, firewire, usb-a, usb-c, thunderbolt, hdmi, dvi, vga, sd, microsd,vga, and display port all in one laptop chassis. Having one single port, that c…

This is exactly the type of attitude that makes me dread the future. Why invest in technology at all? Wires are great, honestly. Easy to debug and use. The original zero config.

I can tell you never used token ring. :)

Re: How Apple Alienated Mac Loyalists

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Post by addicted »

jayd16 wrote: post #149
muninn_ wrote: post #124

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We're living in a transitory period as we move from a world of wires and connectors to a wireless world. This is the pain we have to endure as technology is pushed forward. If it were up to the luddites and their obsession with compatibility, a laptop would have a dvd drive, firewire, usb-a, usb-c, thunderbolt, hdmi, dvi, vga, sd, microsd,vga, and display port all in one laptop chassis. Having one single port, that c…

The pain is completely self imposed. Wired ports and wireless technology are not mutually exclusive. USB-C is great bit there's no reason to remove all other ports. Technology will get adopted. It doesn't have to be forced.

The people who compared the USB-C move to Apple's past moves were completely ignoring that in the past Apple replaced the FLoppy drive with the CD rom, but still kept all the other ports around.

This time round Apple has replaced every port with a USB-C port, which means I don't need to transition only 1 interface. I need to transition all.

And the most painful part about this move is they are doing it to the product line that in the past was loved because it came with USB + FW400 + FW800 + Video + Magsafe. IOW, a design goal for the Pro line used to be easy compatibility so professionals could end up in any situation and have a great chance of getting their computers to work with their environment without any adapters.

Re: How Apple Alienated Mac Loyalists

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Post by skykooler »

dmoy wrote: post #142
olegkikin wrote: post #121

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Why not get a cheap powerful desktop for heavyweight processing, and a cheap lightweight laptop for mobility? $3K is a ridiculous amount of money considering modern options. Examples: Dual Xeon E5-2690 + 64GB RAM + 1TB HDD = $1250 http://www.ebay.com/itm/391654102568 Dual Xeon X5670 + 128GB RAM + 2TB HDD = $1600 http://www.ebay.com/itm/361745717969 Dual Xeon E5-2670 + 128GB RAM + 8TB HDD = $1900 http://www.ebay.com/i…

I would agree. I would not want to do serious editing on a laptop that costs >2x, has half the ram and like a third of the CPU/GPU power. Just not worth the money and time. So much longer waiting for renders...

Half the ram? Where are you finding a macbook with 32gb of ram?

Re: How Apple Alienated Mac Loyalists

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Post by thatwebdude »

beat wrote: post #147
muninn_ wrote: post #124

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We're living in a transitory period as we move from a world of wires and connectors to a wireless world. This is the pain we have to endure as technology is pushed forward. If it were up to the luddites and their obsession with compatibility, a laptop would have a dvd drive, firewire, usb-a, usb-c, thunderbolt, hdmi, dvi, vga, sd, microsd,vga, and display port all in one laptop chassis. Having one single port, that c…

This Luddite has rather a lot of money invested in a professional grade audio interface. Replacing it with modern connectivity would be upwards of a thousand dollars. Ouch. And it works perfectly. Why am I throwing away hardware that I like and trust for the relentless march to the future? Any recording interface more substantial than a headphone jack is wired. It's going to remain that way for a while. Audio is a qu…

Should have stuck with ADAT!!!

They're still putting that crap* in interfaces!

*Note, I say "crap" only because I'm not cool enough to have any ADAT interfaces.

Re: How Apple Alienated Mac Loyalists

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Post by shams93 »

beat wrote: post #16

My main computer is a five year old 17" MBP. I've upgraded it to the max and done repairs to maintain it. I need the computational power - I use it for programming, photo editing at scale, and recording/mixing music. It would cost me $3000 to replace it with a computer that is not significantly more powerful, has a smaller screen and less I/O functionality, and would be incompatible with my audio interface unless I d…

You can use a chromebook for music too, if you use crouton it allows you to shut off cras (the chromeos audio system) and fire up jackd, you can run open source stuff like audacity and ardour but if you have an intel chromebook you can even run Renoise and Bitwig.

Re: How Apple Alienated Mac Loyalists

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Post by beat »

bluejekyll wrote: post #210
beat wrote: post #147

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This Luddite has rather a lot of money invested in a professional grade audio interface. Replacing it with modern connectivity would be upwards of a thousand dollars. Ouch. And it works perfectly. Why am I throwing away hardware that I like and trust for the relentless march to the future? Any recording interface more substantial than a headphone jack is wired. It's going to remain that way for a while. Audio is a qu…

> ... professional grade audio interface. What is that interface? And it's not supported through the USB-C interface?

Apogee Ensemble Firewire. A Thunderbolt replacement would be $2500. There are other, less expensive options, but I'm still stuck with a minimum of $300 (new interface that supports ADAT, reuse the Ensemble with that) and probably upwards of $1000 to get equivalent functionality. This, on top of the cost of a new computer.

Re: How Apple Alienated Mac Loyalists

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Post by thatwebdude »

bluejekyll wrote: post #210
beat wrote: post #147

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This Luddite has rather a lot of money invested in a professional grade audio interface. Replacing it with modern connectivity would be upwards of a thousand dollars. Ouch. And it works perfectly. Why am I throwing away hardware that I like and trust for the relentless march to the future? Any recording interface more substantial than a headphone jack is wired. It's going to remain that way for a while. Audio is a qu…

> ... professional grade audio interface. What is that interface? And it's not supported through the USB-C interface?

Many interfaces of yore didn't do USB (especially ones with lotsa I/O). So many jumped on the FW train due to bandwidth and the fact that USB 3.0 just wasn't in audio hardware developer's sights.

Re: How Apple Alienated Mac Loyalists

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Post by thatwebdude »

stuckagain wrote: post #135
muninn_ wrote: post #124

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We're living in a transitory period as we move from a world of wires and connectors to a wireless world. This is the pain we have to endure as technology is pushed forward. If it were up to the luddites and their obsession with compatibility, a laptop would have a dvd drive, firewire, usb-a, usb-c, thunderbolt, hdmi, dvi, vga, sd, microsd,vga, and display port all in one laptop chassis. Having one single port, that c…

As soon as someone invents an isochronous wireless interface with guaranteed throughput and latency, I'm sure all the recording studios will switch to that.

Doubt it, they won't have any peripherals for their aging unconnected G4 tower.

Re: How Apple Alienated Mac Loyalists

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Post by untog »

avn2109 wrote: post #225
untog wrote: post #55

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> Secondly, I found the touch screen very gimmicky. I tried using it for a week and found that my hand just hurt lifting it up repeatedly and also hated switching context from the keyboard to the screen. I agree, but on the other hand, I'm yet to find something that requires the use of the touchscreen. So I don't use it. Unless I'm carrying it around like a tablet, in which case it's a great feature to have.

Yeah but you paid the money, reliability, and weight penalties for a touchscreen for no reason.

Not no reason - as I said, the tablet mode is useful. Just not in the scenario when you're normally be using a keyboard and trackpad.
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