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If the U.S. Won't Pay Its Teachers, China Will

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Post by fatalogic »

gbog wrote: post #17
pjc50 wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Administrative staff and sports, I think. http://247wallst.com/special-report/2016/09/20/the-highest-p...

Very uncommon opinion (I'm the only one I know to hold it): we should not spend one dime more for sport, especially in education. Kid have a minimal need for physical activities which can be easily fulfilled with some gymnastic, but we are in an age where having muscle is pretty useless. Sport is a recent concept invented by the British idle cast, as a way to spend time and money. The world do not have this luxury ri…

On the other hand sports bring in insane amounts of money, publicity and status to colleges, especially state schools where without them they probably couldn't compete with private schools.

http://www.cheatsheet.com/money-career/ncaa-20-college-footb...

Also given the rising obesity rates and health concerns related to obesity I would say physical fitness is very important in today's society. Education spending should be improved but education isn't all about studying from books. We need mixture of arts, physical education and formal education.

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Post by greghendershott »

brownbat wrote: post #21

The most moving and informed coverage of the US education system I've heard have all been through This American Life.[0][1][2][3] Ok, there's an easy four hours of content to listen to. Enjoy! The short takeaway for me was basically that local funding through property taxes is a terrible idea if you want anything approaching fairness. If you can afford to live in an area with high property taxes, the US school system…

> If you can afford to live in an area with high property taxes, the US school system is great, your kids probably go to a great school

Such affluent towns are effectively private schools by other means.

They are a kind of boarding school where the entire family resides.

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Post by Eridrus »

bko wrote: post #6

> In the U.S. and Canada, teachers are often underpaid—and many have quit the profession because they couldn't make a decent living Is there a source for this? I often hear similar notions lamenting the demise of US education spending but from what I can tell, the US spends more than most other countries per student. And spending has been growing in practically every respect > This graph shows that average education…

And the pay they are offering teachers really doesn't seem good enough to base a headline around: $14-22/hr depending on incentives: http://t.vipkid.com.cn/faq/payment

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Post by metaobject »

yummyfajitas wrote: post #18
ceejay wrote: post #12

First, in the US I think we need to convince a substantial chunk of the population that it's not religion that will solve our problems, but better education.

Probably you should start by providing evidence of this. Most of the evidence I've seen suggests we are far past the point of diminishing returns on education, and we should have less education rather than more.

Less education? Did I miss the obvious joke/sarcasm here?

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Post by phd514 »

brownbat wrote: post #21

The most moving and informed coverage of the US education system I've heard have all been through This American Life.[0][1][2][3] Ok, there's an easy four hours of content to listen to. Enjoy! The short takeaway for me was basically that local funding through property taxes is a terrible idea if you want anything approaching fairness. If you can afford to live in an area with high property taxes, the US school system…

The problem with that conclusion is that some of the highest-funded public schools in the country such as DC are among the worst performers. Funding is not the sole (or even most important) determinant of quality in education.

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Post by michael_h »

brownbat wrote: post #21

The most moving and informed coverage of the US education system I've heard have all been through This American Life.[0][1][2][3] Ok, there's an easy four hours of content to listen to. Enjoy! The short takeaway for me was basically that local funding through property taxes is a terrible idea if you want anything approaching fairness. If you can afford to live in an area with high property taxes, the US school system…

Just to clarify: if you rent an apartment that is in an area with high property taxes, you still get to go to the same local school as the people who own their homes.

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Post by sjg007 »

michael_h wrote: post #36
brownbat wrote: post #21

The most moving and informed coverage of the US education system I've heard have all been through This American Life.[0][1][2][3] Ok, there's an easy four hours of content to listen to. Enjoy! The short takeaway for me was basically that local funding through property taxes is a terrible idea if you want anything approaching fairness. If you can afford to live in an area with high property taxes, the US school system…

Just to clarify: if you rent an apartment that is in an area with high property taxes, you still get to go to the same local school as the people who own their homes.

Yes but the rents are high!

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Post by sjg007 »

brownbat wrote: post #15
humanrebar wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He had extra expenses due to having a special needs son. His wife was pregnant and presumably not working at the time. Also, they probably had too nice of a house if they had those other financial pressures. Their biggest financial problem was probably their impulse to overspend on big ticket items "because my family is worth it". If I recall correctly, his wife pressures Walter to go to an oncologist that wasn't on…

> Their biggest financial problem was probably their impulse to overspend on big ticket items Well, in part they had different accounting of their assets, since the wife viewed his social capital (as a cofounder of a massive biotech conglomerate) as a marketable asset, while his pride drove him to refuse to redeem that and yet spend as if he had access to it anyway. Walter's pride was not only his tragic flaw, but al…

I didn't understand why the cofounder biotech conglomerate was necessary, except to give Walter and out he would not take and say 'hey he is smart but choosing a life of crime'

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Post by Symmetry »

michael_h wrote: post #36
brownbat wrote: post #21

The most moving and informed coverage of the US education system I've heard have all been through This American Life.[0][1][2][3] Ok, there's an easy four hours of content to listen to. Enjoy! The short takeaway for me was basically that local funding through property taxes is a terrible idea if you want anything approaching fairness. If you can afford to live in an area with high property taxes, the US school system…

Just to clarify: if you rent an apartment that is in an area with high property taxes, you still get to go to the same local school as the people who own their homes.

Yes, but these towns go to great lengths in their zoning codes to exclude affordable apartments. If we could decouple education from locale then maybe there wouldn't be so many municipalities trying to explicitly prevent affordable housing.
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