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Uber's Loss Exceeds $800M in Q3 on $1.7B in Net Revenue

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Re: Uber's Loss Exceeds $800M in Q3 on $1.7B in Net Revenue

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Meh in Liverpool, UK our local cab firm Delta had an app out before Uber/Hailo were on the scene. Features were pretty much on par with Uber.

Quite a few of the cab firms did - many used the same app skinned for each taxi co. I forget who made it now.

Yes but you needed a different app for each taxi company. That's a terrible experience.

Re: Uber's Loss Exceeds $800M in Q3 on $1.7B in Net Revenue

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Sincere question: what protects Uber from competition enough to imply huge profits in the future? Network effects don't seem that strong. People will download an app to save money, and drivers will download an app to make money. It doesn't cause any major inconvenience. In fact, it seems like a market that may approach perfect competition in a matter of years. There are only two companies now because there are only t…

Self driving cars change everything.

Can you be more specific? Their self-driving tech is worth $70B?

If it's the combination, then I still don't quite get it. Wouldn't any good self-driving tech pretty easily adapt to ride hailing?

Let's say it's a best case for Uber: there are only few self-driving techs out there, and Uber is one; and they dominate ride hailing, and start turning a profit. Couldn't another self-driving tech company snap up Lyft and bundle in the ride hailing, too?

Re: Uber's Loss Exceeds $800M in Q3 on $1.7B in Net Revenue

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Sincere question: what protects Uber from competition enough to imply huge profits in the future? Network effects don't seem that strong. People will download an app to save money, and drivers will download an app to make money. It doesn't cause any major inconvenience. In fact, it seems like a market that may approach perfect competition in a matter of years. There are only two companies now because there are only t…

Yes, that's correct. The taxi business (now they called "ride sharing" for some reason!) is just like air travel. Price matters the most but brand and quality of service is important as well. It's a very low margin business and has a low barrier to entry.

This makes Uber a risky investment in my opinion. Once Uber decides to make money, the real game will start. You'll see lots of competition and not much appetite for losing money like now.

Driverless cars?! That's going to make barrier to entry even lower but it's science fiction for next decade anyways.

Re: Uber's Loss Exceeds $800M in Q3 on $1.7B in Net Revenue

#264

Sincere question: what protects Uber from competition enough to imply huge profits in the future? Network effects don't seem that strong. People will download an app to save money, and drivers will download an app to make money. It doesn't cause any major inconvenience. In fact, it seems like a market that may approach perfect competition in a matter of years. There are only two companies now because there are only t…

You could say the same about chat app.

One person downloads the app to chat. The other downloads to reply. And here we are. Still using WhatsApp:)

Re: Uber's Loss Exceeds $800M in Q3 on $1.7B in Net Revenue

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As others point out this isn't necessarily bad, but it does mean that Uber is extremely vulnerable. If we learned anything in the last bubble it was that attempting to bootstrap through the power curve is exceptionally susceptible to capital constraints. Back in the dot com days a number of 'baby telephone companies' that were building out their networks and spending huge amounts of money on laying out the infrastruc…

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Re: Uber's Loss Exceeds $800M in Q3 on $1.7B in Net Revenue

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> anybody with a car and a laptop can create a viable Uber competitor It's a bit more complicated than that...

No, you don't understand. He's one of the guys who can make Twitter in a weekend.

It's not trivial to make an Uber clone, bit it doesn't take a 20 man developer team two years, either. The basic technology is not super complicated. You can do it with maybe five or six developers in a reasonable time frame. Most of the really interesting stuff that Uber does is scale, and you won't have to deal with that.

Source: was principal server engineer for flywheel, an Uber competitor.

Re: Uber's Loss Exceeds $800M in Q3 on $1.7B in Net Revenue

#267

Sincere question: what protects Uber from competition enough to imply huge profits in the future? Network effects don't seem that strong. People will download an app to save money, and drivers will download an app to make money. It doesn't cause any major inconvenience. In fact, it seems like a market that may approach perfect competition in a matter of years. There are only two companies now because there are only t…

You could say the same about chat app. One person downloads the app to chat. The other downloads to reply. And here we are. Still using WhatsApp:)

You really can’t. I can use any taxi company I want to get from A to B. I can’t use any chat app I want to talk to my cousin Alice or my brother Bob. I have to choose one that they’re already on. That’s the network effect.

In transportation, all these taxi companies are using the same roads; the same network. I don’t have to make sure AcmeRideShare has permission at both the pickup and drop off points.

And I can change my mind tomorrow and go with ABCRideShare if I have a coupon. I can’t just arbitrarily decide to use ICQ tomorrow to talk to my Facebook friends.

Re: Uber's Loss Exceeds $800M in Q3 on $1.7B in Net Revenue

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Uber will be a dead Unicorn in the medium future. They've got too many legal pressures, competitors with native advantages (i.e. the automakers), and their expansion plans have them overextended. Here in Edmonton, AB, Canada, regulatory changes have pushed the Uber prices to almost 2x during non-surge times over regular taxis. Taxi's have stepped up. Local competitors have sprouted. Carshares are abounding. It's all…

> The Uber model has no barrier to entry

If uber has no barrier to entry, neither does facebook.

Re: Uber's Loss Exceeds $800M in Q3 on $1.7B in Net Revenue

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post #239

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How terrible. Having to spend 1-2 minutes downloading an app. Expect Austin to occur elsewhere (Uber and Lyft leaving due to local regulation, and competitors filling the void).

Spend time: figure out what app, download it (possibly on data roaming), make a new account, use app once, be stuck wuth data breaches forever, and good luck figuring out which one is tracking you all the time and running your battery to the ground. Uber is not an angel, but at least with one app we have a lot of people pointing out privacy violations. With two (say, Lyft in US cities), there's some choice. If Uber r…

I don't travel frequently. When I do, install the app at home and then uninstall on return. So they can't track me when I am not using them. I understand it's not for everybody.

Re: Uber's Loss Exceeds $800M in Q3 on $1.7B in Net Revenue

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post #263

Sincere question: what protects Uber from competition enough to imply huge profits in the future? Network effects don't seem that strong. People will download an app to save money, and drivers will download an app to make money. It doesn't cause any major inconvenience. In fact, it seems like a market that may approach perfect competition in a matter of years. There are only two companies now because there are only t…

Yes, that's correct. The taxi business (now they called "ride sharing" for some reason!) is just like air travel. Price matters the most but brand and quality of service is important as well. It's a very low margin business and has a low barrier to entry. This makes Uber a risky investment in my opinion. Once Uber decides to make money, the real game will start. You'll see lots of competition and not much appetite fo…

>"Price matters the most but brand and quality of service is important as well."

Many drivers drive for both Lyft and Uber so what exactly is that brand? The app? I don't see a lot of brand to be loyal to.

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