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How Unix made it to the top

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Re: How Unix made it to the top

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Who is this Gorgeous? And what does it have to do with TeX?

Who is general Failure? And why is he reading my disk?

Now now, you mught get scolded by an admin!

Nothing quite like a double standard around here. The poster makes a valueless comment, I make a mild joke and the original poster is ignored.

P.S. I laughed at your response :-)

Re: How Unix made it to the top

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If somebody uses some hardware product (e.g. set top box) and doesn't know its Linux, then it's no big win for the Linux community. I have to disagree there. It may not be a marketing win, but that doesn't mean that there are no other benefits. The fact that the PlayStation 4 runs FreeBSD has resulted in a large number of improvements becoming available to us; whether Johnny knows that his games are running on a daem…

>The fact that the PlayStation 4 runs FreeBSD has resulted in a large number of improvements becoming available to us Is there a writeup of this anywhere? If stuff has been backported/upstreamed/whatever from the PS4 to the freeBSD kernel that would truly be living the dream!

The fact that the PS4 runs FreeBSD has been written about extensively. The contributions they've made, less so... mainly because most of the work they did was before they announced that they were using FreeBSD, and they went to significant lengths to avoid that information leaking out (e.g., shell companies were set up so that code could be contributed without revealing the ultimate source).

Probably the most easily identifiable contributions are in LLVM; Sony is one of the largest contributors to that project, and it's entirely due to the PS4.

Re: How Unix made it to the top

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If somebody uses some hardware product (e.g. set top box) and doesn't know its Linux, then it's no big win for the Linux community. I have to disagree there. It may not be a marketing win, but that doesn't mean that there are no other benefits. The fact that the PlayStation 4 runs FreeBSD has resulted in a large number of improvements becoming available to us; whether Johnny knows that his games are running on a daem…

>The fact that the PlayStation 4 runs FreeBSD has resulted in a large number of improvements becoming available to us Is there a writeup of this anywhere? If stuff has been backported/upstreamed/whatever from the PS4 to the freeBSD kernel that would truly be living the dream!

They talked a bit about it on their LLVM talks.

http://llvm.org/devmtg/2013-11/#talk8

Re: How Unix made it to the top

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> The name UNIX is just not well defined. Saying Linux is a UNIX is perfectly valid imo, but everyone has a different idea of what UNIX means. The trademark UNIX® and its specification is (still) tightly controlled[1] and licensing and compliance was far too expensive for Linus to think about it for his tiny Linux-like OS. (A Linux distribution did recently get certified as UNIX® but that's a recent exception.) There…

The SUS is irrelevant to this question, just like POSIX, which you mention yourself. Probably not a single version of UNIX from Bell Labs could be called UNIX by these definitions, which is silly. Of course they are UNIX, more so than any other operating system. So what makes an operating system a UNIX? Decide for yourself! UNIX != UNIX®

Of course they could, after all they are the genesis of such certification, at very least the v1.0 of it.

Re: How Unix made it to the top

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Android can be run on vanilla kernel with few patches: http://forum.xda-developers.com/nexus-7-2013/general/android... . Android apps can be run on GNU/Linux without emulation when required libraries and daemons are available (on compatible architecture, of course).

True, but how many devices will allow you to install and use that system without being forced to add blobs?

Very few, if any. Enthusiasts need to reverse engineer binary blobs and write open source drivers, as usual.

Re: How Unix made it to the top

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What sort of things could/can VMS do that Unix couldn't? I know almost nothing about computer history.

It's been a long time since I've used VMS, but one neat feature I recall was sort of a system/group/user concept of environment variables. For example if you set an environment variable at the system level, the new value would immediately be reflected for all users. Powerful concept.

I forgot about that. Was an interesting concept. Question, how can one tell if a UN*X newbee came from VMS ? You get a question from them "How to I change an environment variable for the parent process ?" :) That was allowed in VMS but forgot which type of VMS variable that was.

Re: How Unix made it to the top

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What sort of things could/can VMS do that Unix couldn't? I know almost nothing about computer history.

It's been a long time since I've used VMS, but one neat feature I recall was sort of a system/group/user concept of environment variables. For example if you set an environment variable at the system level, the new value would immediately be reflected for all users. Powerful concept.

You are thinking of VMS logicals. Of course they can be used for more than just environment variables! They can also be used to provide an extra level of indirection to filenames. Neat stuff!

Re: How Unix made it to the top

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Wow. I have to say that it is funny how you hear the legendary tales of computing history over and over again and then some little crucial minor details like "we sold the CEO's office on it" eventually slip out. Ok, that was important at AT&T, but not really why Unix currently rules the universe. Due to anti-trust settlements and cheap licensing, and copyright foibles, Unix was the cheap midrange choice for students…

Legendary indeed ! I assume the author of this message is not using a pseudonym ?

No idea who you are thinking of, but yes this is a pseudonym based on a 1970s krautrock album.

Re: How Unix made it to the top

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post #29

Wow. I have to say that it is funny how you hear the legendary tales of computing history over and over again and then some little crucial minor details like "we sold the CEO's office on it" eventually slip out. Ok, that was important at AT&T, but not really why Unix currently rules the universe. Due to anti-trust settlements and cheap licensing, and copyright foibles, Unix was the cheap midrange choice for students…

I risk sounding ignorant, but what does 'VMS' stand for?

I tried googling--led to several different results for VMS.

Re: How Unix made it to the top

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post #29

Wow. I have to say that it is funny how you hear the legendary tales of computing history over and over again and then some little crucial minor details like "we sold the CEO's office on it" eventually slip out. Ok, that was important at AT&T, but not really why Unix currently rules the universe. Due to anti-trust settlements and cheap licensing, and copyright foibles, Unix was the cheap midrange choice for students…

I risk sounding ignorant, but what does 'VMS' stand for? I tried googling--led to several different results for VMS.

VMS (virtual memory system) was the OS that ran on Digital's VAX machines. Your sibling comments have more info as well.

- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VAX

- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenVMS

- http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/docs/vms_vs_unix.html

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