Is this a political post or a technical one?
I think it is fair to say it is technical enough to be here
Tor blocked in Turkey as government cracks down on VPN use
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Re: Tor blocked in Turkey as government cracks down on VPN use
#22Could happen in any country, including the US, unless you have options to connect to the internet which is not heavily controlled. Sadly in the US we have only a few remaining ISPs with monopolies who in the near future will likely gain even more power to restrict the internet for profit; after that what is to stop the government from adding a few more "additions", like making illegal connections to TOR or unapproved…
I don't think the number of ISPs is really relevant. The rule of law is pretty strong in the United States. If the government made Tor illegal, and that law withstood constitutional scrutiny, it wouldn't really matter if there was one or one thousand ISPs.
Yeah. I think that crypto-ideologues (although I'm not saying that the parent is one) often underestimate the impact that the law has in practice on these matters.
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#23The arrest and torture of an exorbitant number of 'enemies of the state', including judges, police officers, and teachers, indicates more important problems in Turkey. For some reason, a lot of Turks still seem to support Erdogan. The West doesn't really care what he does, as long as Turkey takes care of most of the refugees. A disgusting European policy.
>For some reason, a lot of Turks still seem to support Erdogan
You hear 3 reasons, typically...
- Viewed as a champion for lower class citizens, who weren't well represented in past administrations
- Supportive of religious conservatives, also not represented well in the past
- The economy has improved under his tenure. Inflation slowed, infrastructure improved, etc.
Not disputing your view of him, but he is popular for palpable reasons.
Re: Tor blocked in Turkey as government cracks down on VPN use
#24And the EU says we should welcome them in to Europe...
That sentiment has changed lately. I think Brussels is very concerned with what is going on in Turkey these days:
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/23/world/europe/turkey-eu-mem...
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#26Earlier quoted context omitted.
> they usually hire (often Western) outside firms to do this. Yep, such as Cisco which helps China, to quote Cisco's pitch slides, "combat ‘Falun Gong’ evil religion and other hostiles" ( https://www.wired.com/2008/05/leaked-cisco-do ; https://www.wired.com/images_blogs/threatlevel/files/cisco_p... (PDF)).
China definitely has the capabilities they need. They might get help from Cisco, but they don't need to. I worked in an F50 that sold services, and we were constantly having to 'help' countries like Tunisia, Kazakstan etc. do some things we didn't want them to do, we tried to steer clear of being involved but we could not in some circumstances. But it wasn't that bad, it was mostly porn filtering and such.
What's an F50?
Re: Tor blocked in Turkey as government cracks down on VPN use
#27The arrest and torture of an exorbitant number of 'enemies of the state', including judges, police officers, and teachers, indicates more important problems in Turkey. For some reason, a lot of Turks still seem to support Erdogan. The West doesn't really care what he does, as long as Turkey takes care of most of the refugees. A disgusting European policy.
Sorry for the digression, in democracy, if 49% of the voters are non violent enemies is it a problem ?
Re: Tor blocked in Turkey as government cracks down on VPN use
#28The arrest and torture of an exorbitant number of 'enemies of the state', including judges, police officers, and teachers, indicates more important problems in Turkey. For some reason, a lot of Turks still seem to support Erdogan. The West doesn't really care what he does, as long as Turkey takes care of most of the refugees. A disgusting European policy.
What do you think Europe should do?
Re: Tor blocked in Turkey as government cracks down on VPN use
#29The arrest and torture of an exorbitant number of 'enemies of the state', including judges, police officers, and teachers, indicates more important problems in Turkey. For some reason, a lot of Turks still seem to support Erdogan. The West doesn't really care what he does, as long as Turkey takes care of most of the refugees. A disgusting European policy.
>For some reason, a lot of Turks still seem to support Erdogan You hear 3 reasons, typically... - Viewed as a champion for lower class citizens, who weren't well represented in past administrations - Supportive of religious conservatives, also not represented well in the past - The economy has improved under his tenure. Inflation slowed, infrastructure improved, etc. Not disputing your view of him, but he is popular…
I still remember the people kicking tanks away the night of the failed coup. That dude has fans.
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#30This is the same President that turned to the internet - via Twitter and Facetime when there was a coup attempt against him, asking for them to help.
http://www.wsj.com/articles/erdogan-embraces-social-media-to...