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Oracle finally targets Java non-payers six years after plucking Sun

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Re: Oracle finally targets Java non-payers six years after plucking Sun

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One interesting alternative to Java SE would be an OpenJDK JVM bundled with one or more of the superior alternatives to Java the language.

Such a package with Scala might make major inroads into the enterprise over time, with virtually no risk. Clojure is also a widely respected JVM language.

Re: Oracle finally targets Java non-payers six years after plucking Sun

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One thing Oracle doesn't seem to understand is that the whole "milk it till it's dry" strategy won't last forever. Everything they touch is a catastrophe. Oracle database? Bloated, absurdly expensive, and blown away by PostgreSQL. If you really want bulletproof reliability and absurd throughput then DB2 on a mainframe is a better choice. Virtualbox? Bloated, slow, and much more buggy than VMware's offerings. ERP soft…

And yet they bought java along with all of sun with the money they made doing just that.

Their strategy works.

They're not kind or well thought of in the dev community - have they ever been? They don't care.

They're interested in having enterprise decision makers on their side.

Re: Oracle finally targets Java non-payers six years after plucking Sun

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For anyone on Windows willing to switch to OpenJDK, there are builds from - Azul: http://www.azul.com/downloads/zulu/ - RedHat: https://developers.redhat.com/products/openjdk/overview/ - JetBrains: https://bintray.com/jetbrains/intellij-jdk

Apparently people keep forgetting who pays the majority of OpenJDK developers.

Or people simply want to avoid installing the proprietary software that is bundled with Oracle JDK. With the added benefit of running the same JDK on your dev machine and on your servers.

Re: Oracle finally targets Java non-payers six years after plucking Sun

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One thing Oracle doesn't seem to understand is that the whole "milk it till it's dry" strategy won't last forever. Everything they touch is a catastrophe. Oracle database? Bloated, absurdly expensive, and blown away by PostgreSQL. If you really want bulletproof reliability and absurd throughput then DB2 on a mainframe is a better choice. Virtualbox? Bloated, slow, and much more buggy than VMware's offerings. ERP soft…

Don't forget MySQL.

It's not that Oracle ruins properties, the same could be said of Microsoft over the years, but that they tastelessly ruin them.

Bundling the Ask Toolbar with Java is absolutely insulting. Not even Adobe stoops that low.

Re: Oracle finally targets Java non-payers six years after plucking Sun

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

But something something something Aspergers something picking feet something

What evidence can you present that Richard Stallman has Aspergers?

Exhibit A: Richard Stallman.

Re: Oracle finally targets Java non-payers six years after plucking Sun

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

If the OpenJDK developers would provide official builds of it, I could accept the argument.

So what do you think it would happen if Oracle just made OpenJDK offline, withdraw its developers or even nastier changes to OpenJDK (left to imagination)? Which of those listed companies would try to keep OpenJDK alive and drive the JEPs?

> Which of those listed companies would try to keep OpenJDK alive and drive the JEPs?

The question should rather be: Which of those listed companies will Oracle sue for doing so?

Re: Oracle finally targets Java non-payers six years after plucking Sun

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

If the OpenJDK developers would provide official builds of it, I could accept the argument.

So what do you think it would happen if Oracle just made OpenJDK offline, withdraw its developers or even nastier changes to OpenJDK (left to imagination)? Which of those listed companies would try to keep OpenJDK alive and drive the JEPs?

There are many examples of projects maintained by a cooperative effort between multiple corporations.

Re: Oracle finally targets Java non-payers six years after plucking Sun

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Are there still any reasons why one should choose Java instead of .Net for new developments?

There are many, many more good libraries for Java in Maven Central than for .NET in Nuget. OS independence, if not quite platform independence, has informed much of those libraries' development. Maven, love it or hate it, can do a staggering number of things, some of them very useful. JAX-RS servers and clients are more robust IME on Java. (Just try to find a capable path+querystring builder for .NET.) JDBC is still…

Curious what you're looking for in a path+querystring builder.

For ASP.NET controllers, I'd use attribute routing's URL generation: https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/aspnet/core/mvc/controllers...

If you want a separate library for use outside of ASP.NET, and you want something more sophisticated than UriBuilder, there are several out there. I've used Superscribe in the past, but I just looked around and Flurl looks pretty neat: http://tmenier.github.io/Flurl/

Re: Oracle finally targets Java non-payers six years after plucking Sun

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

What evidence can you present that Richard Stallman has Aspergers?

I think he means in jest that people have constantly talked about Stallman's quirks that are honestly gross but shouldn't take away from what he says regarding technology.

His "quirks" are what harms his message. The same could be said for his long-time collaborator ESR who has some quirks that are beyond eating shit from his feet.

You want a spokesperson for something they better be worthy of respect. That's their primary function. It's not being a sage of truth.

People listen to those they respect, and his behaviour at times is so out of line that he spends more time destroying his credibility than communicating.

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