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Oracle finally targets Java non-payers six years after plucking Sun

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Re: Oracle finally targets Java non-payers six years after plucking Sun

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Post by pjmlp »

satysin wrote: post #13

There is so much negativity around Java that I wonder why anyone starting on their journey to becoming a programmer would want to learn it or work with it.

Because it is the only alternative to .NET for those of us working with enterprise customers.

Pick the list of Fortune 500 companies and many smaller ones that work with them, take out the few SV darlings, and they will either be using .NET or Java for the majority of their software.

Specially those whose commercial domain isn't at all related to software development.

C and C++ are usually around as library languages supporting those applications, or older applications, many of them still written in frameworks like MFC and such.

Even if Oracle would kill Java, which might happen with this kind of behavior, it will take a few generations to change to something else, specially since many people are unaware of the amount of hardware running embedded JVMs.

Re: Oracle finally targets Java non-payers six years after plucking Sun

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Post by 67726e »

satysin wrote: post #13

There is so much negativity around Java that I wonder why anyone starting on their journey to becoming a programmer would want to learn it or work with it.

That was probably my first "mainstream" language I learned as a teen. What kind of negativity do you mean?

Re: Oracle finally targets Java non-payers six years after plucking Sun

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Post by wolfgke »

pjmlp wrote: post #25
hocuspocus wrote: post #9

For anyone on Windows willing to switch to OpenJDK, there are builds from - Azul: http://www.azul.com/downloads/zulu/ - RedHat: https://developers.redhat.com/products/openjdk/overview/ - JetBrains: https://bintray.com/jetbrains/intellij-jdk

Apparently people keep forgetting who pays the majority of OpenJDK developers.

If the OpenJDK developers would provide official builds of it, I could accept the argument.

Re: Oracle finally targets Java non-payers six years after plucking Sun

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Post by alfalfasprout »

One thing Oracle doesn't seem to understand is that the whole "milk it till it's dry" strategy won't last forever.

Everything they touch is a catastrophe.

Oracle database? Bloated, absurdly expensive, and blown away by PostgreSQL. If you really want bulletproof reliability and absurd throughput then DB2 on a mainframe is a better choice.

Virtualbox? Bloated, slow, and much more buggy than VMware's offerings.

ERP software? Companies could save tons of money using a custom solution and even if you are so massive you need something like Oracle's ESP SAP's offering is infinitely better (and cheaper).

Java? Don't even get me started on Java...

Re: Oracle finally targets Java non-payers six years after plucking Sun

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Post by teach »

patates wrote: post #35
nullnilvoid wrote: post #26

Great news for Golang. Time to switch if you have not.

Go doesn't share any kind of similarity in purpose, methodology or audience with Java. Or maybe you were being sarcastic?

C# is a much better drop-in replacement for Java.

Re: Oracle finally targets Java non-payers six years after plucking Sun

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Post by pjmlp »

wolfgke wrote: post #33
pjmlp wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apparently people keep forgetting who pays the majority of OpenJDK developers.

If the OpenJDK developers would provide official builds of it, I could accept the argument.

So what do you think it would happen if Oracle just made OpenJDK offline, withdraw its developers or even nastier changes to OpenJDK (left to imagination)?

Which of those listed companies would try to keep OpenJDK alive and drive the JEPs?

Re: Oracle finally targets Java non-payers six years after plucking Sun

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Post by adictator »

pjmlp wrote: post #25
hocuspocus wrote: post #9

For anyone on Windows willing to switch to OpenJDK, there are builds from - Azul: http://www.azul.com/downloads/zulu/ - RedHat: https://developers.redhat.com/products/openjdk/overview/ - JetBrains: https://bintray.com/jetbrains/intellij-jdk

Apparently people keep forgetting who pays the majority of OpenJDK developers.

And who is that? IBM?

Re: Oracle finally targets Java non-payers six years after plucking Sun

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Post by pjmlp »

adictator wrote: post #39
pjmlp wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apparently people keep forgetting who pays the majority of OpenJDK developers.

And who is that? IBM?

Oracle of course, so they can do whatever they feel like to OpenJDK.

I actually doubt, that given the interest other companies have shown regarding saving Sun assets, anyone would bother to pick up OpenJDK afterwards.

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