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There is a mental trap I have personally fallen into I will dub the "Friendliness Trap" where you start to incorrectly think of someone you work closely with as your close friend due to the forced proximity and "friendly" interaction. This can foster inappropriate workplace behavior your brain justifies as OK. For instance friendly teasing, sometimes even started by the person themselves (e.g. "Oh, you know us [blank…

I'd add : why do you need to tease in the first place ? There's no reason to do that.

Humans do a lot of things that have "no reason".

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I think part of the problem is that it's hard (or impossible) to tell how much someone is exaggerating on the internet. Sometimes the answer really is "toughen up" because what they're experiencing is really nothing. Other times, it really is a horrible situation and people should be fired for it.

Why is it just hard "on the internet"? And why do people find certain things easier to believe while finding others easier to dismiss as likely exaggeration? If we could find easily-actionable answers to those two questions... sigh.

I'd assume that "on the internet" means hearing only one side ant not witnessing the story yourself.

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Sorry, Indians are not minorities in tech. Sheesh, my DSP class in grad school was 25 asians and 3 whites.

OP's milking that victim card for all it's worth.

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I tell a lot of younger developers this, because it's an important truth that will never, ever be spoken aloud. The sole role of Human Resources is to protect the company from liability, either through lawsuits or labor law compliance. Occasionally managers will abdicate their duty and delegate parts of hiring authority to a section of the company with no understanding of what they do and no accountability for gettin…

Really good point. Also remember everything HR sees will be viewed through a cautionary, and oftentimes adversarial, legal lens... since at the end of the day that is how their performance is measured.

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Very well put. I find it very annoying when people declare something to be racist. Racism is the idea that some races are superior or inferior. Unless you literally declare that some races are superior or inferior, what you say is not racist. I do agree that some things might imply that you think some races are inferior, but by declaring something racist, you state that the author has that specific idea and is trying…

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Unions have fought for and won such a huge amount of the workers rights we enjoy today that it would be a disservice to try and cover all of them in a comment. Google is your friend if you'd like to learn about the history of unions and labour movements.

OK, I tried searching "worker rights due to union" and "union worker rights" and only found pages about unions protecting the right to associate. What should I input into Google?

Google searching like that is going to have trouble separating news from history.

Maybe just start with "history of worker rights." Or maybe just the wikipedia labor movement article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Labour_movement It's not all strictly about changes forced through unions vs other types of activists, but once unions were made legal they were one of the strongest methods for demanding and enforcing these for large numbers of workers in the days before they were turned into laws.

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> I was getting preferential treatment because of my “cuteness factor” > Indian women being subservient I agree that these comments don't belong in the workplace. I have seen similar ones lead to people fired on the day and escorted to the door. Thankfully it's relatively rare but some places do take it very seriously. Apple was wrong. In Australia the law is clear and they've breached it. Take them to court and get…

> these comments don't belong in the workplace.

Indeed they don't, but then neither does preferential treatment due to cuteness, which I routinely observe. How society has become so fond of denying objective reality is very strange, especially when it doesn't seem to achieve much.

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Not the op, but female as well. Guy is a general term most times, but I've known a few women that get offended by it because they aren't male. Dude is also used for both, but a lot of folks don't want to use that in the office. Alternatively, just use person and be safe.

> women that get offended by it because they aren't male. There are a few people who get upset over it or intentionally make a vocial issue out of something that isn't. ("Guys" is generally a genderless term ["You guys, take a look at this!"]

Would you be comfortable saying that to a group of females in a professional environment?

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When the word "harassment" appears, there's an 80% chance it's bs. Thanks, sjws.

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