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GitHub lost $66M in nine months of 2016

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Re: GitHub lost $66M in nine months of 2016

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That's what happens with centralized systems it is inevitable, from the Roman Empire to Google Code nothing is permanent.

The laws of physics are.

I think those are what determines permanency. But let's not be pedantic.

Re: GitHub lost $66M in nine months of 2016

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The thought of losing Github to the startup graveyard is kind of scary. It was bad enough to lose Google Code and when SourceForge had their "great purge" of inactive projects.

Fortunately, GitHub Archive exists in the event things go south. https://www.githubarchive.org

Re: GitHub lost $66M in nine months of 2016

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I always freak about some other country attacking github. The world would crumble/ it's probably some sort of weird national security scenario.

The DynDDOS attack a couple of months back made it hard for us to reach github at a few points during the day. Was pretty bad...

Re: GitHub lost $66M in nine months of 2016

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The thought of losing Github to the startup graveyard is kind of scary. It was bad enough to lose Google Code and when SourceForge had their "great purge" of inactive projects.

On the other hand, as Git is a DVCS even if GitHub went down the repos still live on local developer machines, so it'd be easy enough to move to a different Git hosting provider.

Github brings additional value that just being a DVCS - I manage all of my external consultants through it (assign work through issues, often review/approve PR's via the UI, able to easily share a link to a specific line of code, easily share info via the wiki etc).

There are obviously alternatives but the Github UI just makes it so easy to work with others.

Re: GitHub lost $66M in nine months of 2016

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Gitlab is a fully featured and ready full replacement for Github. Additionally, the Gitlab team is far more competent and listens better to user feedback.

I have never used GitLab, but I keep hearing lots of positive things. Is there anything they don't do as well or better than Github?

I'm a GitLab Community Advocate, so I'm biased, but off the top of my head:

- Performance, we're working on improving this for GitLab.com but right now it's slower than we'd like. If you run your own instance it'll be fine as long as you meet the recommended specs, GitLab.com struggles because we have so many users by comparison.

- Following users/social network-y things, we haven't really focused on this and don't have a way to follow another user right now (you can watch projects though).

- Third party integrations, we don't have as many third parties integrating with the product as GitHub does, though that's kind of to-be-expected.

And while I'm here, some things we do better (IMO):

- CI, we have it integrated into the product and have Review Apps plus GitLab Pages (which is better than GitHub Pages in some ways, e.g. in that it allows any static site generator and allows building sites dynamically via CI).

- Responsive design, GitHub has a separate mobile site that's not fully-featured compared to the desktop site. I browse on mobile _a lot_ so this is big for me, maybe not for others.

- Community Edition, which has a significant majority of the features of Enterprise Edition, is open source, MIT-Licensed, and anybody can contribute to it.

There are others, but I don't want to shill too hard :P

EDIT: Also I want to mention that we value diversity, I strongly disagree with the grandparent comment about how inclusivity shouldn't be rewarded.

Re: GitHub lost $66M in nine months of 2016

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On the other hand, as Git is a DVCS even if GitHub went down the repos still live on local developer machines, so it'd be easy enough to move to a different Git hosting provider.

People keep bringing that up, but that's missing the bigger picture: GitHub is more than just a git host, it's also a "social hub" where people can fork repos and offer changes back (pull requests), a passable bugtracker (issues), even wiki, and even web host (github.io). Many people have warned that using these added-value features makes you dependent on GitHub (Linus Torvalds has a kernel mirror on GitHub, but for…

There are plenty of replacements. Bitbucket, gitlab, etc.

Re: GitHub lost $66M in nine months of 2016

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I have never used GitLab, but I keep hearing lots of positive things. Is there anything they don't do as well or better than Github?

Site responsiveness, though they're working hard in that.

It's pretty ok if you host yourself(which is easy to do(on DO) thanks to the omnibus package).

Re: GitHub lost $66M in nine months of 2016

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I can't find the blog post, but some blog wrote a while ago why VCs invest in companies like Github. TL;DR -- basically it provides infrastructure for other startups. The business itself may not be a great business due to the amount of cost it takes to run it -- but it's necessary for the running of other ventures. Sort of like highways and non-toll bridges.

>The business itself may not be a great business due to the amount of cost it takes to run it -- but it's necessary for the running of other ventures.

The latter half of the statement applies to Stripe as well. The big difference between GitHub and Stripe is that Stripe's business model is more directly tied to the growth of entrepreneurship economy: the more money goes through Stripe-powered businesses, the more money Stripe makes. In GitHub's case, the correlation is less direct and less predictable.

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