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Tech workers pledge to never build a database of Muslims

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Re: Tech workers pledge to never build a database of Muslims

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Unfortunately, with firearms registration and no-fly lists, Muslim registries are part of the slope we've set precedent for. A citizen should _never_ have to register with the government to exercise a freedom explicitly granted in the constitution.

It's an interesting argument. How could that work for things like driving, where you need to prove competency before you are legally allowed to do something?

Because driving on public roads has never been a right in the US. It has always been a privilege that you are granted.

Re: Tech workers pledge to never build a database of Muslims

#72
post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd argue "A citizen should _never_ have to register with the government" should really be the entire statement. Things like aid and whatnot should really be isolated and broken off to prevent mass collection dbs.

Doesn't every birth have to be registered with the government?

For "social security" benefits. Yes. And look how that's turned out. It's deemed proof of citizenship (and a vital document) despite being just a poor quality piece of paper.

The data is misused in just about every way. From colleges using it as a student id number to people committing crimes with it.

Re: Tech workers pledge to never build a database of Muslims

#73

What about a database of people from countries with high propensity for radicalization, for example Tunisia, or Somalia? Paradox: Tunisia is perhaps the most progressive of all the M/E Muslim countries, and yet they are the #1 M/E country in terms of Jihadis. They are overwhelmingly the greatest per/capita Jihadi producers in the world. By far. Tunisia is very small. Networks are very small. 95% chance that a young m…

Could you please provide links to official Toronto murder statistics that back up your claim?

Re: Tech workers pledge to never build a database of Muslims

#75
post #35

I just went on Facebook and created an Ad [0] that targets only people "interested in Islam" and living the US, it took 30 seconds. [0] http://i.imgur.com/NOrGA2N.png --- Edit: Direct link

Interest in Islam ≠ being a Muslim. I'm interested in Islam and not a Muslim. In fact I'd say most Trump supporters, hell most Americans of any political/religious persuasion even, have some amount of interest in Islam. I'm being somewhat facetious, but also not entirely - the point being that I don't think these consumer profiles could easily be converted into Muslim registries.

But it's also all pretty moot - if Trump's anti-muslim policies are implemented, I highly doubt the CBP et al will need resources beyond what the US intelligence community already possesses.

Re: Tech workers pledge to never build a database of Muslims

#77
post #2

It's a lovely gesture, and an important sign of solidarity; however, it'a merely that, just a gesture. I hope that SV and the tech industry leverages its wealth and technical legal capabilities to fight these sorts of actions in court, unlike their responses to privacy intrusions by the federal government, British intelligence, and other foreign groups.

Over 1000 people, some of them very prominent, have pledged to quit their jobs if they are asked to do unethical things. How is that "merely a gesture"?

Re: Tech workers pledge to never build a database of Muslims

#78
post #8

It's a ridiculous and naive view of the world. Of course it already exists. For example on facebook. For example in the mosques. Everybody was warned, everybody could have seen this coming. But most people didn't give a fuck. Welcome is post privacy. I didn't need have to be that way. We can still turn this into post-post-privacy. But only if we face what we have already done.

Mosques don't keep track of members. You can go into any Mosque and hang out if you wish.

Having never once stepped foot in a mosque, I find that a little difficult to believe unless there is a canonical religious text or other religious law that forbids it. Every Christian church I know of keeps track of members, if only for tracking donations so that a receipt can be issued at year-end. Sure, as with a mosque, one can just show up and anonymously participate, but much more participation than that and your name is going into a roll (list of members) of some sort, if for no other reason than, well, organizations like to put a name on the folks that show up regularly.

Re: Tech workers pledge to never build a database of Muslims

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post #8

It's a ridiculous and naive view of the world. Of course it already exists. For example on facebook. For example in the mosques. Everybody was warned, everybody could have seen this coming. But most people didn't give a fuck. Welcome is post privacy. I didn't need have to be that way. We can still turn this into post-post-privacy. But only if we face what we have already done.

Mosques don't keep track of members. You can go into any Mosque and hang out if you wish.

What you said is true but active attendees like to formally join the mosque as members so they can vote for and participate on the board or other executive positions. Most mosques are incorporated as non-profit organizations and have the same governing structures and types of membership you would expect from typical NPO's.
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