China won't be luring foreign tech talent any time soon

Post by Cerium » Tue, Dec 13, 2016, 11:28 PM UTC

suanmeiguo wrote: post #219

blacktulip wrote: post #68

As a Chinese I would say that the points in this article, though true, are not among the driving reasons. If you ask me, I would present this list: 1. Practically, there are only 4-5 cities suitable for 'tech talents' in China. The properties prices in these cities are comparable to the ones in NY and SF while the salary isn't. BTW: you have very little chance to be able to get married without a property under your n…

I'm a Chinese and I moved to US 5 years ago. Some of these are not true at least when I left China (I still go back every year and don't feel these at all). >BTW: you have very little chance to be able to get married without a property under your name in China. This is exaggerated. I've only seen such thing on news or from rumors. But in real life, a lot of my friends, classmates and colleges (both male and female) g…

Post by samsonradu » Tue, Dec 13, 2016, 11:40 PM UTC

st3v3r wrote: post #189

evidencepi wrote: post #168

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language != culture

No, but communication plays a huge deal in being able to absorb the culture, as well as share your own.

Post by junnan » Tue, Dec 13, 2016, 11:45 PM UTC

illuminati1911 wrote: post #248

erics32 wrote: post #12

One cultural factor is the fact that developers have a low social standing in China (sometimes referred to as 马工). This leads to low pay, reduced dating pool, lack of respect from people you meet etc.

My background: Finnish SE born in Finland "developers have a low social standing in China" You couldn't be further away from the truth. I used to live in Shanghai studying CS and also working there as a developer and I'd say it's one of the best professions to have in terms of social status. When you tell you are a Developer/Software Engineer etc. in the minds of Chinese people that often means: educated, intelligent…

Post by Haydos585x2 » Wed, Dec 14, 2016, 12:02 AM UTC

hguant wrote: post #193

Symmetry wrote: post #34

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Is learning tones much harder than learning all the weird vowel and consonant sounds that English has? I'd always though of English and China as examples of hard languages in terms of sounds and languages like Spanish and Japanese as easy in terms of sounds.

For me, it wasn't the tones or sounds that made Mandarin tricky - once you get used to letting your mouth/tongue make shapes/be places you've trained it not to be the vowle/consonants aren't that bad, and fi you've ever played an instrument/sung, tones are manageable. It was the stupid pictographs. You're literally just memorizing shapes that didn't correspond to anything was the absolute worst. It got better once yo…

Post by walshemj » Wed, Dec 14, 2016, 12:06 AM UTC

blacktulip wrote: post #227

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> cruel def: willfully causing pain or suffering to others, feeling no concern about it. Shaming is undesirable, but I wouldn't say publicly knowing how you rank compared to others would constitute "cruel". Its really how the world works - in sports you see exact stats of how your do, publicly traded companies/CEOs are meticulously analysed publicly on how they perform etc. etc. There does need to be a balance btwn h…

I agree with you here. I used the word cruel since I couldn't find a better word - as a none native speaker my vocabulary is limited :( . I have the same feelings about the UK public education. Competition is basically non-existence. I wonder why people can't settle in a middle ground.