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China won't be luring foreign tech talent any time soon

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Re: China won't be luring foreign tech talent any time soon

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what? The american immigration system is pretty awful. H-1B to employer sponsored green card is a really lousy system.

Try immigrating to China.

I'm not familiar with China's system. But let's not pretend a lottery based system, where the only thing that decides whether you can stay in the country or not, is random number generation, like H1-B is great.

Re: China won't be luring foreign tech talent any time soon

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I believe the author should have explored another reason: English. One of the legacies of the British Empire is that a lot of the educated people in the world use English. Even in Europe, it is the lingua franca for business and academia. (In mighty Germany, the top institutions publish in English). I think the applications and work would have to be done in English for China to effectively attract global talent.

It is true. However there are valid reasons for most of us to learn mandarin, or at least for our children. You cannot ignore 1/5 of the world's population.

You can not-ignore them without learning Mandarin...

Re: China won't be luring foreign tech talent any time soon

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I believe the author should have explored another reason: English. One of the legacies of the British Empire is that a lot of the educated people in the world use English. Even in Europe, it is the lingua franca for business and academia. (In mighty Germany, the top institutions publish in English). I think the applications and work would have to be done in English for China to effectively attract global talent.

If US attracts talent and they are all speak English, what reason you think that China cannot attract talent who are going to speak Chinese?

Because most of the world speaks English... Did you not understand that about the comment you're replying to?

Re: China won't be luring foreign tech talent any time soon

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I agree, having arrived in USA 7 years ago, I have seen that its much easier to integrate in United States, especially if you live on East Coast or SF/LA. Sure there are visa and green card hurdles, but as a society Americans are probably more accepting of immigrants than any other country, except maybe Canada. Of course my experience is as a relatively well-off indian studying in United States, other will have a dif…

This is my observation: If you're Indian, being "relatively well-off" is not your only advantage: (White) Americans tend to view you in more favorable terms. It's almost as if we welcome you with open arms.

I am an Indian in the US. I get the general idea of what you are saying, but I should note that it has a strong implicit assumption of a very liberal community. In such communities (say in SF or NYC), I am welcomed pretty warmly. On the other hand, in a bunch of mostly male, middle-aged, Christian tech people in Middle America, I am regarded with a mildly welcoming/neutral attitude at best and open hostility that is leaning-towards-but-not-exactly-racism at the worst.

So this "advantage" you mention is somewhat double-edged depending upon where you are.

Re: China won't be luring foreign tech talent any time soon

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The bankers that I've talked won't go (back) to China because of the pollution, specifically the smog. They refuse to put their children in that environment. Cultural, social, language, and food differences are all superficial reasons not to go to, or stay, in China. They can be dealt with an open, understanding mind. However, the salary or career benefits don't make up for it when your children and spouse are breath…

Totally this. I have a friend who's running his company's Shanghai operations. They installed four air purifiers in their home just to keep the smog out - and Shanghai is a relatively clean air city! They have to check the smog report every morning to see if it's okay to take their kid outside. I would never raise a family in that environment.

Re: China won't be luring foreign tech talent any time soon

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I'm not sure what it means to be shipped to a different city and not being allowed to leave means, but even junior investment bankers on wall street don't have to do that.

"Not being allowed" means you're fired if you don't stick to your post. How is that different to any career here where you are transferred to a different branch office? Clearly if Goldman Sachs transfers you to their Salt Lake City office and you stop showing up to work you'll be terminated.

"disallowed from leaving" sounds just a little more ominous than that, but who knows if OP was exaggerating or not.

In terms of this particular example, Goldman would not attempt to do that because 95% of the affected employees would quit on the spot.

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It would be a book. There are of course extreme workloads from both the schools and the parents. But to me there is something worse - the public shaming culture. I live in the UK now. Something very odd to me at the beginning is that I can never know how good my kids are doing compare to their classmates. The teachers would politely refuse to answer such questions. And the 'parents meeting' is private to one pupil's…

> cruel def: willfully causing pain or suffering to others, feeling no concern about it. Shaming is undesirable, but I wouldn't say publicly knowing how you rank compared to others would constitute "cruel". Its really how the world works - in sports you see exact stats of how your do, publicly traded companies/CEOs are meticulously analysed publicly on how they perform etc. etc. There does need to be a balance btwn h…

I agree with you here. I used the word cruel since I couldn't find a better word - as a none native speaker my vocabulary is limited :( .

I have the same feelings about the UK public education. Competition is basically non-existence. I wonder why people can't settle in a middle ground.

Re: China won't be luring foreign tech talent any time soon

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But can you blame them? For years China's mantra to the West was, "Look at how great our economy's doing! Look at how divided and problematic democracies can be, they are not even that much better than China on human rights! The 21st century is not for idealistic democracies but for China."

I wonder how many have studied Herr Führer's record on German economy. The 2 major mistakes of mankind in the 20th century are fascism and communism.

Without those, we would also not have been on the moon.

Re: China won't be luring foreign tech talent any time soon

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> books were stacking up on my desk That's a common situation in Chinese high school. I'd say most Chinese high school are equally competitive. I am in a not so high-ranked school in Shanxi. And I literally have less than 1 day of rest each week. Each day it's from 6am to 9pm. Early self-study, day lecture, and night self-study, all in classroom...

Serious question from a concerned American.. How much are you learning and more importantly, are you retaining this information? What subjects / topics are you studying? The reason that I ask, is that I work in IT. If you spent this amount of time devoted to learning a programming language, web design, etc... you would be in an excellent position to work remotely for a company like mine. If you spend 6-9 learning eve…

Whatever it is they learn/how they learn/etc it seems to be grossly inefficient.

I noticed literally no difference between my Canadian students and Chinese/Korean students as a TA at a top university here, other than the international students being more likely to plagiarize/copy work. Also, the international students were way more likely to be smokers - not sure if that's a cultural thing, or if it's caused by being stressed the fuck out because of the ridiculous education system there.

Re: China won't be luring foreign tech talent any time soon

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As a Chinese I would say that the points in this article, though true, are not among the driving reasons. If you ask me, I would present this list: 1. Practically, there are only 4-5 cities suitable for 'tech talents' in China. The properties prices in these cities are comparable to the ones in NY and SF while the salary isn't. BTW: you have very little chance to be able to get married without a property under your n…

Yeah. I come from the academia, and I can't see a scientist not being able to do his job just because he has to take one extra hop by using a VPN.

Having a work-around to a bad situation still isn't "luring foreign tech talent", which is what the article is about.
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