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Re: Is Sugar Killing Us?

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Post by Laforet »

nikatwork wrote: post #33
Laforet wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The human body have an amazing ability to adapt to the environment and we will survive as long as energy intake match energy expenditure. The only category that need some attention is protein where having too little or too much can lead to issues. An Inuit from Greenland is no more or less healthy than an American or farmer from Brazil because of what they eat.

Thanks for the heads up, since you've told me that all food is equal I'm going to switch my diet to only include Soda, Doritos and Hotpockets. I'm sure my body will adapt amazingly.

https://www.logicallyfallacious.com/tools/lp/Bo/LogicalFalla...

They are equal, as anybody with rudimentary knowledge of biochemistry can tell. Modern processed food have the added benefit of micronutrient fortification so your need of vitamins should be met mostly in case you actually plan to follow that diet.

The appeal of a "balanced and natural" diet has a mostly puritan origin but its benefits are far from clear. The only proven method to delay the onset of aging is caloric restriction. Kale and supplements are mostly placebo.

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Post by nblumoe »

mastazi wrote: post #7

Pro tip: you need a balanced diet. Despite all the recent conspiracy theories, getting rid of sugar while e.g. eating loads of fat is not going to do you good. Downvoters: show me academic papers. Not some tabloid mis-quoting some paper, but the actual paper or at least an abstract. Otherwise you're just being dietary fanboys "SV kids getting healthy thanks to one weird trick"

As a great source for information about scientific results about health and nutrition, I usually recommend http://nutritionfacts.org/

If you like scientific papers but are not an expert in the nutrition field, this would be a great start.

I would also be interested in other's opinions about the site, e.g. if it is unfairly in favor of plant based diets.

Re: Is Sugar Killing Us?

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Post by jstewartmobile »

iopq wrote: post #34
kurttheviking wrote: post #14

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Seems to be a rare instance that violates Betteridge's Law.

It's not true, sugar is not worse for you than white bread. White bread has a higher glycemic index than sugar. Sugar does have a lot of fructose in it, but fruits have higher fructose content because they have less glucose. Reality, turns out, is more complicated than black and white.

A lot of white bread has actual sugar or high-fructose corn syrup in it as an ingredient. How much of that is to start the yeast and how much is for taste varies by brand.

Whole-grain/white can be misleading as far a sugar goes. I've had whole-grain brands that were so sweet that I couldn't stand to use them for sandwiches.

Re: Is Sugar Killing Us?

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Post by Laforet »

colordrops wrote: post #23
Laforet wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The human body have an amazing ability to adapt to the environment and we will survive as long as energy intake match energy expenditure. The only category that need some attention is protein where having too little or too much can lead to issues. An Inuit from Greenland is no more or less healthy than an American or farmer from Brazil because of what they eat.

> An Inuit from Greenland is no more or less healthy than an American or farmer from Brazil because of what they eat. Is that really true though?

If everything else is controlled for then yes, they should be able to attain a similar level of health and quality of life despite dietary differences.

The only proven harm of sugar is that it ruins your teeth. Tooth decay is relatively rare in Europe until the introduction of refined sugar. A small number of people have a hereditary condition that causes a painful reaction to the fructose component of sucrose and they get conditioned from early life to avoid all sweet foods. They tend to have immaculate teeth but are not otherwise more healthy than the general population.

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Post by coldtea »

greywolve wrote: post #19
justinator wrote: post #16

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> I eat plenty of sugar, and I'm in decent shape: You can't tell the damage of a poor diet (or other maladies), simply by looking at videos. You're also fairly young. A poor diet wrecks your health in a cumulative way. I'm not saying your diet is poor (I have little data about your diet), I'm just saying it's up in the air with knowing that you eat, "plenty of sugar", and you IG yourself doing calisthenics. Would you…

I'm not actually that young, I'm 33. (I also haven't been training very long, about 2 years now) I agree though, I am a sample size of one. There are forums of people who follow Ray Peat's ideas, and some do consume large amounts of sugar, and do really well.

>There are forums of people who follow Ray Peat's ideas

Sorry, but this sounds like a personality cult. How about following the state of the art dietary advice?

Sure, consensus scientific advice can change over time, and be conflicting at times. But it will always be better than following some individual's opinions.

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Post by reactor »

chrismealy wrote: post #42

I quit sugar for two weeks and the runny nose and sinus headache I'd had my whole life went away. It wasn't hard. Everybody should try it.

Oh man, can you please shed more lights on this as I've exactly same problem, sinusitis and running nose (mostly because I'm allergic to cold and histamine is wreaking havoc). I'm trying all the possible way to control it, exercising regularly, taking lemon+honey everyday morning etc. But only an anti-histamine (xyzal or zyrtec) is working for me.

It's interesting that to know if it has anything to do with Sugar, as I take moderate amount of sugar.

Did you completely cut off sugar/variance of sugars? what about fruits?

Re: Is Sugar Killing Us?

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Post by jawngee »

mgarfias wrote: post #43

Recently diagnosed diabetic here. Yes, I'm fat, but no excessively so. When I tell people I'm diabetic they're confused as I don't look the type. What I can say is that I can see the effects of cortisol (stress) on my fasting glucose levels. When my ex does something that causes strife, my glucose levels will be 20-30 pts higher for the next few days. In general, I ate fairly decently, and didn't consume mass amounts…

Because it is related to more than diet. There is a ton of literature on all of the different factors that induce insulin resistance (assuming you are talking about type 2). Diet, lack of exercise, genes, pollution, stress, chronic inflammation, the list goes on.

And there isn't a type to look like. The idea that only obese people have type 2 is ignorant at best.

Consider yourself lucky you have type 2, you can control it very easily if you choose to do so. I would gladly swap my son't type 1 for type 2 any day of the week.

Re: Is Sugar Killing Us?

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Post by neals »

I've really cut down on sugar from august to november. I didn't really notice anything except loosing a lot of weight (mind that I already was under weight, but I should probably build some muscle anyway)

So in comes December. And there is candy and chocolate everywhere. In just a single week our house filled up with it and here I am, stuffing my face full of sugar.

I think the struggle just goes on, right?

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