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Re: Is Sugar Killing Us?

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Post by greywolve »

taeric wrote: post #15
greywolve wrote: post #8

The opposite view: http://raypeat.com/articles/articles/sugar-issues.shtml . Ray Peat's argument is that polyunsaturated fats are the real culprit, and if you look at most sugar laden foods these days, it's difficult to find any that don't also contain a decent amount of PUFA.

Shifting from one culprit to the next would merely further a witch hunt. I in no way want to suppress the search for evidence in this. However, evidence is pretty high that we could cut sugar and have zero negative effects. The largest cut would be in what people are drinking nowdays. (It is truly baffling to see how much sugar the average person consumes from soda.) Consider, unless you are drinking multiple glasses…

Sugar is just an empty calorie, there's plenty of studies that also show that it has no real net negative effect. The problem is when your diet consists primarily of empty calories, then obviously you are going to have health problems, from lack of nutrients. If your diet is nutrient rich, a bit of extra sugar will not do anything bad.

Re: Is Sugar Killing Us?

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Post by andrei_says_ »

edoceo wrote: post #4

See http://thatsugarfilm.com Was pretty good

Also Fed Up.

To paraphrase, if an external force was making our kids sick, addicted and more likely to die, we'd be bombing them into oblivion.

But as this force is the food industry's vision of profit at all costs, we just watch them get progressively sicker with each generation.

Re: Is Sugar Killing Us?

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Post by colordrops »

Laforet wrote: post #20
taeric wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The verbiage "balanced diet" is begging the question. What is a balanced diet? If it is just "one that works" than this is akin to knowing how to efficiently sort a large array from the definition of "elements are in in increasing order." Well, yes, but how do we get there? That is, at best, claims of a balanced diet resort to existence statements, but never evidence ones. I am not going to claim I eat healthy, or th…

The human body have an amazing ability to adapt to the environment and we will survive as long as energy intake match energy expenditure. The only category that need some attention is protein where having too little or too much can lead to issues. An Inuit from Greenland is no more or less healthy than an American or farmer from Brazil because of what they eat.

> An Inuit from Greenland is no more or less healthy than an American or farmer from Brazil because of what they eat.

Is that really true though?

Re: Is Sugar Killing Us?

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Post by EugeneOZ »

greywolve wrote: post #21
taeric wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Shifting from one culprit to the next would merely further a witch hunt. I in no way want to suppress the search for evidence in this. However, evidence is pretty high that we could cut sugar and have zero negative effects. The largest cut would be in what people are drinking nowdays. (It is truly baffling to see how much sugar the average person consumes from soda.) Consider, unless you are drinking multiple glasses…

Sugar is just an empty calorie, there's plenty of studies that also show that it has no real net negative effect. The problem is when your diet consists primarily of empty calories, then obviously you are going to have health problems, from lack of nutrients. If your diet is nutrient rich, a bit of extra sugar will not do anything bad.

at least try to google "sugar calories".

Re: Is Sugar Killing Us?

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Post by EugeneOZ »

EugeneOZ wrote: post #17
greywolve wrote: post #8

The opposite view: http://raypeat.com/articles/articles/sugar-issues.shtml . Ray Peat's argument is that polyunsaturated fats are the real culprit, and if you look at most sugar laden foods these days, it's difficult to find any that don't also contain a decent amount of PUFA.

I have to say not every girl have so many selfie-videos, so it was surprising to see so many from men.

really, narcissism sometimes is a sign of more significant issues.

Re: Is Sugar Killing Us?

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Post by greywolve »

greywolve wrote: post #21
taeric wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Shifting from one culprit to the next would merely further a witch hunt. I in no way want to suppress the search for evidence in this. However, evidence is pretty high that we could cut sugar and have zero negative effects. The largest cut would be in what people are drinking nowdays. (It is truly baffling to see how much sugar the average person consumes from soda.) Consider, unless you are drinking multiple glasses…

Sugar is just an empty calorie, there's plenty of studies that also show that it has no real net negative effect. The problem is when your diet consists primarily of empty calories, then obviously you are going to have health problems, from lack of nutrients. If your diet is nutrient rich, a bit of extra sugar will not do anything bad.

You should always google the opposite view points too, and not just consider the main stream opinion on things.

There are forums of people that take the opposite viewpoint, and do very well too. It's best to be open minded. We don't have everything figured out yet.

Re: Is Sugar Killing Us?

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Post by greywolve »

EugeneOZ wrote: post #25
EugeneOZ wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have to say not every girl have so many selfie-videos, so it was surprising to see so many from men.

really, narcissism sometimes is a sign of more significant issues.

There's a difference between 'selfies' and keeping a record of your training towards certain physical skills. I follow a number of people who I feel inspired by, on IG, that share similar videos, and I like to return the favour. If I can do this stuff, then anyone can, I'm not naturally inclined that way. So my goal is to inspire. Plus my skill level is still beginner basically, compared to what some other people can do. :)

Re: Is Sugar Killing Us?

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Post by justinator »

greywolve wrote: post #19
justinator wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I eat plenty of sugar, and I'm in decent shape: You can't tell the damage of a poor diet (or other maladies), simply by looking at videos. You're also fairly young. A poor diet wrecks your health in a cumulative way. I'm not saying your diet is poor (I have little data about your diet), I'm just saying it's up in the air with knowing that you eat, "plenty of sugar", and you IG yourself doing calisthenics. Would you…

I'm not actually that young, I'm 33. (I also haven't been training very long, about 2 years now) I agree though, I am a sample size of one. There are forums of people who follow Ray Peat's ideas, and some do consume large amounts of sugar, and do really well.

But think about when people succumb to problems because of poor diet choices: it's not 33. It's more like 65, for heart disease or 45 for Type 2 Diabetes.

Not that you CAN'T see differences, in some instances. I look at former classmates from college and they look horrible when I compare myself (and they know it) - but it's mostly from abuse of alchohol, which I think we can all agree will age you.

> There are forums of people who follow Ray Peat's ideas, and some do consume large amounts of sugar, and do really well.

How are their teeth?

Re: Is Sugar Killing Us?

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Post by metaprinter »

Unless a 500kg pallet of sugar falls on a person, I don't believe sugar has ever killed a single human. I know that people die from complications arising from diabetes. A quick google search shows that Saudi Arabia has the highest incidents of Diabetes of any country, more than double USA but they are not even in the top 10 sugar consumers. So, why is that? When did their diabetes problems 'start'?

Re: Is Sugar Killing Us?

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Post by sean_patel »

justinator wrote: post #28
greywolve wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not actually that young, I'm 33. (I also haven't been training very long, about 2 years now) I agree though, I am a sample size of one. There are forums of people who follow Ray Peat's ideas, and some do consume large amounts of sugar, and do really well.

But think about when people succumb to problems because of poor diet choices: it's not 33. It's more like 65, for heart disease or 45 for Type 2 Diabetes. Not that you CAN'T see differences, in some instances. I look at former classmates from college and they look horrible when I compare myself (and they know it) - but it's mostly from abuse of alchohol, which I think we can all agree will age you. > There are forums…

> How are their teeth?

This.

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