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German judges explain their decision that ad-blocking software is legal

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Re: German judges explain their decision that ad-blocking software is legal

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The only reason for still using ABP is because you haven't heard of uBlock.

Or maybe because some people prefer it? I've heard of uBlock and I continue to use ABP, so I guess your theory falls flat. :)

ryuuchin wasn't suggesting people like you don't exist, just that such people are not reasonable. Theory holds.

Re: German judges explain their decision that ad-blocking software is legal

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Sure, they can detect ad blockers and present a nag screen. The ad blocker can respond by defeating their detection feature. For example, it can delete the detection function before it even executes. They could circumvent that; ad blockers could nullify their fix; they could fix it again... This could go on forever. In my experience as an user, no website has ever beaten an ad blocker. It's like trying to secure a co…

I think back in the early days Hulu served their video and ads from the same url format, so you couldnt distinguish. That's not how they do it now, but back then it successfully defeated adblockers. For example, if you were watching a TV show, it would give you a playlist of video segments and ads, all having random urls (hulu.com/ ). You couldn't tell which was an ad and which was the real video, so adblockers could…

VCRs with automatic ad-skipping (during playback or recording) appeared in the 90s, and had many orders of magnitude less processing power than even a typical smartphone today. They had to deal with ads embedded directly in the video stream, and worked reasonably well. Perhaps a similar approach will work very well with digital video today.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commercial_skipping

Re: German judges explain their decision that ad-blocking software is legal

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Read the README. ABP sold out a while back and now shows ads on certain websites who pay money to ABP. uBlock Origin doesn't show ads on any website unless you specifically allow it.

This was also mentioned in the article. ABP still allows you to block those whitelisted ads.

Why use an extension that white lists ads by default when there's an open source alternative that you have full control over?

Re: German judges explain their decision that ad-blocking software is legal

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post #100

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Or maybe because some people prefer it? I've heard of uBlock and I continue to use ABP, so I guess your theory falls flat. :)

ryuuchin wasn't suggesting people like you don't exist, just that such people are not reasonable. Theory holds.

I feel myself being very reasonable. If you disagree, would you mind explaining why or is that unreasonable to ask?

Theory does not hold.

Re: German judges explain their decision that ad-blocking software is legal

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Why? Those are voluntary services; the free market can regulate this just fine. It would be different if the government were requiring the use of those services.

> the free market can regulate this just fine Except that it doesn't. Not everybody is expert enough to evaluate the risks of trading their data. Even if everybody was an expert, Google and Facebook are quasi-monopolies that are hard to avoid due to network effect and peer pressure. They play major roles in modern society so regulating them /in some ways/ seems warranted.

I have never experienced peer pressure to use Google and have been asked to message someone on Facebook maybe twice.

It sounds like you just like both services a lot and want the government to step in so you can have your cake and eat it too.

Re: German judges explain their decision that ad-blocking software is legal

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Since this submission relates to blocking ads and trackers, I think it's worth bringing up that uBlock Origin [0] is better than Adblock Plus in (all?) ways (see the README for more details). I migrated to it a few years ago and overall I've been very happy with the outcome. I'm opposed to all tracking that isn't opt-in by default. I haven't thought about the topic at great lengths, so there may be cases which I'm fa…

I'd really love it if unlock allowed me to sync whitelisted sites like adblock plus does

Last I checked there is a beta sync option.

Re: German judges explain their decision that ad-blocking software is legal

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IMHO, by choosing to provide their content as an HTML data stream via HTTP to the user, "Der SPIEGEL" implicitly allows to consume this content in whichever way the user sees fit, as HTML is simply a markup language that can be interpreted in various ways, and could even be read in a text editor. By trying to force the user to consume this data through a specific channel (e.g. through a standard-compliant browser wit…

I agree with everything that you've said and I find it a compelling reason why a user is within his or her rights to install ABP. But where it gets murkier is ABP's pay-for-whitelisting business model. I can see reasonable arguments that this equates to extortion and shouldn't be allowed. As others have mentioned, extensions like uBlock Origin are better in this regard, which is better for both users and advertisers.

Re: German judges explain their decision that ad-blocking software is legal

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Since this submission relates to blocking ads and trackers, I think it's worth bringing up that uBlock Origin [0] is better than Adblock Plus in (all?) ways (see the README for more details). I migrated to it a few years ago and overall I've been very happy with the outcome. I'm opposed to all tracking that isn't opt-in by default. I haven't thought about the topic at great lengths, so there may be cases which I'm fa…

The only reason for still using ABP is because you haven't heard of uBlock.

Maybe, but only because the people for whom uBlock is too complicated haven't heard of uBlock.

Although for those people I usually recommend Adguard, not Adblock plus.

Re: German judges explain their decision that ad-blocking software is legal

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> "The Claimant [Spiegel] argues that the Defendant’s [Eyeo's] business model endangers the Claimant’s existence," reads the judgment, which isn't final because it can be appealed by Spiegel. Because users aren't willing to pay for editorial content on the Web, "it is not economically viable for the Claimant to switch to this business model." In what situation is endangering someone's business model grounds for their…

Because it's not just about showing an ad to the user, it's about knowing which user to show that ad. The ad networks track you across the web, and in the process learn a great deal about your demographics and interests. This alows businesses to target you specifically.

Spiegel can only track you across their own site which might not tell them much about you, making the ad space less valuable.

Re: German judges explain their decision that ad-blocking software is legal

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> and that 10% helps develop the program Develop in what sense? uBlock origin is at least 10% better than ABP just by not doing that. The _only_ thing people want from such a program is to block all ads and trackers. That's it. That's the feature list. You decide to compromise the single goal to fund further "development"? How does that make any sense?

You need to get out of your box. Stop assuming you speak for everyone with such ridiculous statements as "the only thing people want from such a program is to block all ads and trackers." I don't give a single hoot about tracking and want quality ads. Do I not exist?

> I don't give a single hoot about tracking and want quality ads. Do I not exist?

Sure, people have all sorts of weird fetishes.

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