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Re: Imzy wants to be a kinder, gentler version of Reddit

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Post by Trill-I-Am »

Joeboy wrote: post #85
BEEdwards wrote: post #29

Lot's "but this isn't free speech" in here, but that's exactly the point, free speech has been tried and it leads to shit holes like reddit and voat. Places you might visit, but wouldn't recommend or even admit to using in a mixed group. People talk about free speech like it's some goal, but in reality all people seem to do with it is make fun of fat people and post stolen naked pictures of celebrities. When confront…

Reddit's version of "free speech" works fine for me. I almost never see the kind of hateful speech it's allegedly full of, and if I do it's voted down to -20 or something. It seems to me to be preferable to, say, the Guardian comments section which is full of people being rude to each other but heavily moderated for forbidden facts or ideas.

How often do you read discussion of politically or culturally sensitive issues in defaults?

Re: Imzy wants to be a kinder, gentler version of Reddit

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Post by Trill-I-Am »

AlexB138 wrote: post #86

So what they really mean is "Reddit without anyone who will disagree with your sophomoric views on politics" it seems. It's people's choice if they want to dig into a non-threatening bubble, but it's fairly sad. You don't grow by surrounding yourself with people just like you.

A lot of people on the internet have constructed identities and ideologies around temperaments and modes of interactions. Maliciousness and meanness and tolerance for it is virtuous to many 4chan types because it demonstrates strength and resilience, traits they value highly. I heard an interview with a /r/The_Donald moderator who said that the specific idea that words matter less than actions was a key attraction of Trump's message and an unifying idea for his movement. The moderator also said there was no need to or value in attempting to unify the country after the election and that it didn't matter.

Re: Imzy wants to be a kinder, gentler version of Reddit

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Post by guiseroom »

NotQuantum wrote: post #201

It's a neat site. First thing I noticed when I made an account was that they already have a place to setup a Payment method. Is it just me or is that a bit strange?

One of the features of Imzy is that you can "tip" other users. If someone creates something that you like, posts a good link, or makes a great comment, you can tip them.

You can read more about that here: https://medium.com/imzyhq/why-imzy-doesnt-have-ads-and-what-...

Re: Imzy wants to be a kinder, gentler version of Reddit

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Post by SuperPaintMan »

lucker wrote: post #295

It's interesting what a difference there is in people's perspectives. To me, Reddit seems excruciatingly polite and well-mannered, often to the point of dishonesty. This is probably because I've been to 4chan and similar places.

As a frequent channer I find Reddit a hugbox of insulating opinions and gaming the karma system (To the point where commentary can be as trite as shitty dad-tier jokes). The benefit of 4chan and company is that once the identity is stripped away (and a filter for callous remarks created) a user is actually free to speak their mind.

Sometimes this develops into meaningful posts, othertimes it ends up as a mess of shitposting. But the freedom is there and it is wonderful.

Re: Imzy wants to be a kinder, gentler version of Reddit

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Post by zardeh »

gonmf wrote: post #247
pessimizer wrote: post #244

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's no such things as "real rights." Rights are granted to people by the entities willing to defend those people in the exercise of those rights. There's no "real" right to a pursuit of happiness, there's no "real" right to freedom of thought, and there's no "real" right to freedom of speech. > Real rights are to defend yourself, stand your ground and use your body how you want. A right that you grant to yourself…

That is false, or maybe just semantics. Imagine an enslaved man. I believe he has the right to attempt to free himself from slavery. By your definition he doesn't because those around him haven't granted him that right. In my definition he may or may not have the ability to actually free himself or attempt to.

Did slaves in the 17th century have the right to free themselves from slavery? No. That right was limited by law. They had the ability to do so, in some cases, but certainly not the right (as is legally recognized).

Re: Imzy wants to be a kinder, gentler version of Reddit

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Post by NotAMoose »

webwanderings wrote: post #307
NotAMoose wrote: post #286

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm saying that literally no where do we say that people should "tip each other for being nice", nor do we have some sort of reward system based on that. That is entirely a thing invented by clickbait headlines. From the medium article I linked: >Most of you know you can tip posts, comments, and communities on Imzy. It was important to us that we include our payments platform in some way from day one, and this was th…

So I am not really a regular Reddit user, nor do I even participate there (I subscribe my selected content there via RSS). When I joined Imzy, the very first thing I was told, was to use this reward system. But you are saying that it is just a tinniest part of the whole. To me, it seems contradictory because otherwise a tinniest part wouldn't stand out up front. I am not necessarily against this system (tiny or other…

>I recently read or heard somewhere, that it is psychologically proven, that if you tell someone what to do, they won't like it (or they'd do the opposite).

Have you found stop signs working that way? There was a crash at a stop sign near my house tonight. Perhaps the people were just psychologically driven to ignore the stop sign because of science.

I don't really understand what you're talking about with "unconditional choice." Yes, you have a choice to run a stop sign. That choice has the consequence of potentially killing you or other people. Yes, you will get your drivers license taken away if you are constantly driving around yelling "screw the man!" and running every stopsign you see because of some strange notion of "unconditional choice" to run stopsigns.

No you can't start a racist hate mob on our platform. That should go without saying, but for some reason that is considered "novel" to some folks on the internet.

Regarding the tipping system, we're not forcing anyone to use it. Only a small amount of our users use it, and that is totally fine.

Re: Imzy wants to be a kinder, gentler version of Reddit

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Post by Joeboy »

Trill-I-Am wrote: post #311
Joeboy wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Reddit's version of "free speech" works fine for me. I almost never see the kind of hateful speech it's allegedly full of, and if I do it's voted down to -20 or something. It seems to me to be preferable to, say, the Guardian comments section which is full of people being rude to each other but heavily moderated for forbidden facts or ideas.

How often do you read discussion of politically or culturally sensitive issues in defaults?

Not very.

Re: Imzy wants to be a kinder, gentler version of Reddit

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Post by rmc »

nkurz wrote: post #151
rmc wrote: post #90

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> I am staggered by the amount of people here who object to Imzy's "Be Nice"-policy on the basis that it limits free speech. It's especially curious, because HN does try to have a free speech uber alles approach. If limiting speech is good for HN, why isn't it good for Imzy? It's also important to remember that reddit is very pro-free speech, but bans some protected speech, namely, doxxing. Redditors started to dox p…

HN does try to have a free speech uber alles approach Could you explain what you mean by this? I take uber alles to mean "above all", which would imply that HN aspires to have no moderation. But this clearly isn't the case, as your next sentence says. Did you maybe mean to write "HN does not try"?

> Could you explain what you mean by this?

The HN FAQ[1] has the rules/guidelines. e.g.: " Be civil. Don't say things you wouldn't say in a face-to-face conversation. Avoid gratuitous negativity.". It says guidelines, but you will be banned if you keep breaking those things.

I think this rule for HN is a great idea BTW.

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

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