It's a neat site. First thing I noticed when I made an account was that they already have a place to setup a Payment method. Is it just me or is that a bit strange?
Imzy wants to be a kinder, gentler version of Reddit
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Re: Imzy wants to be a kinder, gentler version of Reddit
#202I am staggered by the amount of people here who object to Imzy's "Be Nice"-policy on the basis that it limits free speech. To me that seems to be a rather flawed argumentation: a) The First Amendment of the US Constitution, which guarantees free speech, explicitly does so in a political context ("Congress shall make no law [...] abridging the freedom of speech"). Imzy is not the US Congress, they don't have jurisdict…
I can't upvote you enough. I've always likened Internet forums to having guests in my home. If I, as a forum owner, invite you into my home, you are expected to abide by the house rules. If my house rules allow you to destroy the furniture, insult my other guests, and generally raise hell, I won't yell at you for it. But if my rules forbid such activity, I'm well within my rights to kick your ass out. Free speech has…
That's correct as far as the law is concerned. However, when you have a very large social network like Twitter, Facebook or Reddit, things get more complicated. A forum's owner has some say but a lot of the conflicts are at the boundaries between forums, or involve the common rules that everyone should follow. It's not a government but at this scale, the moderation starts to look more like privately run governance, something imposed from above onto a community rather part of the community itself.
Re: Imzy wants to be a kinder, gentler version of Reddit
#203Earlier quoted context omitted.
That's what you get when you name with this criteria: the name means nothing; it was an available URL without copyright issues
That said, it sounds very appropriate a name for an IM service, and if people were asked to guess without knowing about the site, that would probably be their first guess.
I think I'd guess it's a mixture of "image" + "etsy", or maybe a pinterest clone (image-zy).
To me an issue with the name is it has no obvious non-awkward member name: Redditor sounds good; Voater quite reasonable; but is it Imzer? Imzier? Imzy-er? none of which trip off the tongue.
Re: Imzy wants to be a kinder, gentler version of Reddit
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To a large part the difference is what comedians call "punching up" vs. "punching down" – Making fun of born-again christians is a bit more legitimate because they're 40% of the (US) population and have an insane amount of power compared to the hardcore atheists insulting them. It's quite different from being a muslim in a predominantly christian country being subjected to abuse by the majority. It's also a bit more…
> It's quite different from being a muslim in a predominantly christian country being subjected to abuse by the majority. Hm, interesting that you choose the example going that way. Not to deny that Muslims face discrimination in the West, but have you had a look at what life is like for Christians in Muslim countries?
I'd never deny the problems christians face in many countries. The Egyptian's use of the "pig flu" a few years ago as a cheap cover for slaughtering the christian minorities' pigs still makes me angry/sad.
But I'd warn against using such (and greater) injustice as an excuse. The idiots responsible for them are not the muslims who live in western countries, and any sort of collective guilt is morally indefensible (especially considering many muslims are in the west precisely because they wanted to get away).
It's also subject to what my father used to say when I tried to excuse a bad grade as "still pretty good considering how the rest did": "When did we start comparing us to others?"
Also, using the example going that way is exactly what I meant with "it's more legitimate (effective...) to criticize your own group".
Re: Imzy wants to be a kinder, gentler version of Reddit
#205Lot's "but this isn't free speech" in here, but that's exactly the point, free speech has been tried and it leads to shit holes like reddit and voat. Places you might visit, but wouldn't recommend or even admit to using in a mixed group. People talk about free speech like it's some goal, but in reality all people seem to do with it is make fun of fat people and post stolen naked pictures of celebrities. When confront…
Reddit's version of "free speech" works fine for me. I almost never see the kind of hateful speech it's allegedly full of, and if I do it's voted down to -20 or something. It seems to me to be preferable to, say, the Guardian comments section which is full of people being rude to each other but heavily moderated for forbidden facts or ideas.
I have to agree with you here. I don't bother reading any political or news subs (except /r/uk) because I can pretty much guarantee the comments will not be adding anything to the discussion.
For me, Reddit works pretty well and it's very easy to avoid the worst bits.. and to be honest, like you, I find a lot of the comment sections on mainstream news sites and places like Youtube are much, much worse.
Re: Imzy wants to be a kinder, gentler version of Reddit
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There is more to the idea of free speech than simply the first amendment. This essay explains it well: http://slatestarcodex.com/2013/12/29/the-spirit-of-the-first... The general gist is: imagine a world where women who advocate for suffrage and women's rights are ostracized from society, rejected from conferences and fired from their jobs. Those of us who favor a broader concept of free speech feel this is a bad sta…
>imagine a world where women who advocate for suffrage and women's rights are [...], rejected from conferences Your expanded idea of free speech is noble but it's not possible for society to provide. Free speech allowed by the government is possible. Free speech hosted and paid for by private commercial entities is impossible -- in any long-term sustaining way. The "free speech on commercial entities" would require 2…
> citizens would never agree to
From the perspective of your elected officials, apathy is agreement.
Re: Imzy wants to be a kinder, gentler version of Reddit
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Well, lets say you know someone who is a legit flat earther. You're not going to change their mind, because such a belief is unreasonable, but if you attempt to reason with them you elevate their social status and accidentally lend credence to them. This is the Fox News "fair and balanced" model -- if you give equal time to both viewpoints, even if one viewpoint is nuts, people will assume that there's a rational deb…
> When someone says something really stupid, often the best response really is mockery. That's not working for climate change, brexit, the Us election, etc etc etc. Maybe it's time to accept that mockery is a sub-optimal tactic that makes you feel good but is counter-productive.
It might have played slight part. But those have multiple dimensions to them.
The worst thing that ever happened to fixing the pollution was calling it climate change. Making wildly inaccurate hyperbolic documentaries and politicizing it to such a degree that it became a defining aspect of our species. Where everyone needed to have an opinion on it, no different than their favorite brand of cereal.
When greedy selfish people make doomsday prophecies which happens to make them more money, the people get skeptical. We've been exposed to millions of such prophecies in the past, the average person will just say "Oh? Another one..."
Regarding Brexit/US election, I think Obama interfering with peoples choices by telling them what they should pick hindered one side in both events. Brexit and Trump happened because Obama was condescending. Both would have been different results if he had done nothing at all.
Re: Imzy wants to be a kinder, gentler version of Reddit
#208Hate speech, bullying, none of that shit needs to be protected speech. It's not as delicate or complicated as people who generally aren't on the receiving end of it try to make it out to be.
You're right, in many cases, hate speech and bullying are obvious and can be easily spotted. But there are always grey areas and disagreements where eradicating hate speech and bullying can also end up getting rid of speech with valid political dimensions.
One sort of obvious case where important speech was classified as harmful is facebook's recent spat with the prime minister of Norwary over them censoring the famous photo of "Napalm girl," a young, naked Vietnamese girl running naked in the streets from a Napalm attack.
Re: Imzy wants to be a kinder, gentler version of Reddit
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No right is limitless. I don't know about other countries but in elementary school where I am we're taught a person's freedom is limited by the freedoms of others , and freedom of speech is certainly limited by other people's human rights, including the right to human dignity. AFAIK the declaration of human rights include that right. There is no freedom without responsibility, and that's why people who aren't or can'…
This was downvoted for some reason I couldn't see so I upvoted it.
Well, thanks, but some downvotes were quite foreseeable as there are those who believe every right is limitless and that a functional society on that base is possible. I suggest those to go up to someone on the street and try using their right to free speech to the extent they believe it's okay, and see if that person gives them a punch or calls for help.
Re: Imzy wants to be a kinder, gentler version of Reddit
#210Earlier quoted context omitted.
It may be because right politics usually include hate speech, mocking, personal attacks, lies etc.
I don't think that's true - at least not in every country / society.
Usually does not mean unconditionally and always, so we agree. Also, you should back your claim with proofs. I back mine with Trump, various European right-wing parties, Hitler, Israel, Putin, etc.