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Re: Imzy wants to be a kinder, gentler version of Reddit

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Post by Dangeranger »

BEEdwards wrote: post #29

Lot's "but this isn't free speech" in here, but that's exactly the point, free speech has been tried and it leads to shit holes like reddit and voat. Places you might visit, but wouldn't recommend or even admit to using in a mixed group. People talk about free speech like it's some goal, but in reality all people seem to do with it is make fun of fat people and post stolen naked pictures of celebrities. When confront…

It would be interesting to study at what user size trolling and offending interactions take root. My take is there is a moderator/user ratio which at some point slants in favor of trolls. Once the slide toward disrespect and instigation begins it's very hard to correct.

Re: Imzy wants to be a kinder, gentler version of Reddit

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Post by noobermin »

jdavis703 wrote: post #26

I signed up on their website, went through the onboarding flow and joined a couple of communities. Without them knowing anything about my political leanings they suggested a bunch of anti-Trump communities. I guess they're not trying to solve the "filter bubble" issue, but rather becoming the Reddit for liberals? I mean it's their business for them to run as they like, but I hope somebody can take us past the Breitba…

Perhaps luck of the draw? I just signed up and saw two anti-Trump communities. The rest were just random groups.

Re: Imzy wants to be a kinder, gentler version of Reddit

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Post by willis77 »

krapp wrote: post #15
ohyoutravel wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Reddit definitely does not have the tech focus hn does. Maybe it did in the long past, but not anymore. Definitely not a substitute for Reddit content without the trolls.

It makes no sense to talk about Reddit and HN as if they had the same scope. It would be more appropriate to compare HN to a particular subreddit.

There was a time when Reddit did not have subreddits (or even the ability to comment). During this time, Reddit's community was very much like HN is currently. It was mostly techy people who found Digg was getting a little too "low brow". It may not have been explicitly tech focused, but it may as well have been.

Re: Imzy wants to be a kinder, gentler version of Reddit

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Post by k-mcgrady »

PurgingPanda wrote: post #17

I'd say censorship is a bigger issue than trolls. Creating safe spaces to protect you from other views isn't going to make them go away.

On the other hand if the troll problem is bad enough it's going to stop non-trolls from commenting. So you either censor the content that doesn't add to the discussion or you lose the discussion as people self-censor/decide it's not worth it posting.

Re: Imzy wants to be a kinder, gentler version of Reddit

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Post by SolaceQuantum »

jsf666 wrote: post #35
threepipeproblm wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I probably didn't express my view well here. I did read the article & understand they aren't free speech absolutists. Still wondering how free speech will play out here, because I wonder if they will stick to eliminating trolls or if their moderation will be subjective and "politicized".

There's no free speech if you want to ban "hate speech" or "trolling". This more or less means removing all challenging opinions and basically focus on being an echo chamber even more so than reddit. Basically thought-crime policing

How is preventing racism and slurs a thought crime policing? You're free to think all the dehumanizations of all the demographics you like. Many sites are available for you to even express them. You just are not allowed to do it at imzy. No different than say, not shouting slurs at black people in a cafe. That's not a thought crime issue, that's a "stop pushing out demographics out" issue.

Re: Imzy wants to be a kinder, gentler version of Reddit

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Post by gravypod »

necessity wrote: post #52
DanBlake wrote: post #46

Why dont they call it what it is? A safe space for the left. Looking at the official "politics" section is just liberal-based editorials: https://www.imzy.com/politics I lean left on the political spectrum for most things, but I cant help but think all this "safe space" stuff is what pushed the country into electing trump in the first place- It makes america look and feel weak. Also, the site is ungodly slow and supe…

>Why dont they call it what it is? A safe space for the left. But they did: "It's like reddit"

I have very strange political views and I sit someplace outside of the left-right specturm. From this perspective I can pretty safely say that Reddit and HN are two of the most politically diverse sites on the internet. Their main goal isn't politics so they've attracted a diverse crowd. It is because of this that neither viewpoint is favored due to the high distrobution of political viewpoints.

Reddit is the only place you can go to see people praise Ron Paul one year, Bernie the next, then Trump right after that.

To call reddit or hacker new homogeneous is insane.

Re: Imzy wants to be a kinder, gentler version of Reddit

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Post by m3Lith »

ohyoutravel wrote: post #10
galfarragem wrote: post #7

> It's like Reddit, without the trolls That's HN.

Reddit definitely does not have the tech focus hn does. Maybe it did in the long past, but not anymore. Definitely not a substitute for Reddit content without the trolls.

Oh, but it does. You won't find it on popular general subs like /r/technology, but there are really dedicated subs for everything, if not more, that you would want to find.

Re: Imzy wants to be a kinder, gentler version of Reddit

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Post by necessity »

gravypod wrote: post #67
necessity wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Why dont they call it what it is? A safe space for the left. But they did: "It's like reddit"

I have very strange political views and I sit someplace outside of the left-right specturm. From this perspective I can pretty safely say that Reddit and HN are two of the most politically diverse sites on the internet. Their main goal isn't politics so they've attracted a diverse crowd. It is because of this that neither viewpoint is favored due to the high distrobution of political viewpoints. Reddit is the only pl…

Remove /r/The_Donald from Reddit and it is pretty homogeneous, yes. Posters from /r/The_Donald post only there, are usually banned from everywhere else (from /r/all for sure), etc.

Re: Imzy wants to be a kinder, gentler version of Reddit

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Post by nilved »

vanderreeah wrote: post #24
aaron695 wrote: post #18

I guess most of the world could live in safe spaces like this? But for the creators and doers it's horrific. We move forward by being challenged. That includes everything. (until AI has the ability to filter out things that challenge but don't move us forward)

If by safe spaces you mean places where people of colour aren't subjected to racism, gay people aren't subjected to homophobia and women aren't subjected to misogyny, then I fail to see how any of these types of attack would help anyone "move forward", even "creators".

Censorship tends to have more implications than that
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