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Re: Belarus finally bans Tor

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Post by whybroke »

wruza wrote: post #94
whybroke wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Historically yes. But I suggest bookmarking this comment and coming back to it in a few years to see how prophetic or absurd it turns out.

https://xkcd.com/628/

Really? A cartoon about the Jeane Dixon fallacy is a response? I think you're going to find the next years very surprising indeed. Even now, using tor is de facto grounds for a wiretap[1]

And I apologize in advance if my evidence is actually on topic and doesn't have funny pictures.

[1]https://techcrunch.com/2016/12/05/section-702-mohamud-appeal...

Re: Belarus finally bans Tor

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Post by avodonosov »

out_of_protocol wrote: post #108
avodonosov wrote: post #83

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My position is equal to yours: unless there are facts, it's a fantasy (modestly saying). Moreover, in this particular case there are facts which don't fit into the idea that Russia first experiments in Belarus. For example Russia has a regulation that personal info of user should be stored inside the country (LinkeIn was banned recently for not obeying this regulation). There is no such regulation in Belarus. If Russ…

No one says Belarus is the only place to run experiments on, or need in such field for every single experiment etc. Also, there was an initiative to move all the servers into the country (still in effect officially) for both domestic and foreign companies. Obviously it can not be achieved (just imagine fitting Microsoft-size-worth of servers into tiny country like Belarus (~9M people). For country like Russia you can…

> No one says Belarus is the only place to run experiments on

So you're now saying China's firewall is also a Russian experiment?

Re: Belarus finally bans Tor

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Post by grzm »

chippy wrote: post #96
grzm wrote: post #67

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The week-long experiment was terminated early. See https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13133855

And yet it's almost as if there's been no announcement of this and people still think it's going on. I wonder what the flagging behaviour is?

If you see people who are questioning the status of the detox week, I encourage you to let them know and point them to the thread I did above.

Re: Belarus finally bans Tor

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Post by mSparks »

rblatz wrote: post #64
Proof wrote: post #55

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I'm from Finlan ld but visting the US, till February and I have a feeling US will watch Belarus very closely to see if it is successful thrn will try to quietly implement a ban or interfere with Tor as best as they can. Rule 41 is a mere Apptizer. The Americans have yet to receive their Entrés. What's even more scary is the radical laws being fought for in Canada as of today.

I doubt it, the US government invented and has been a major sponsor to the tor project. https://pando.com/2014/07/16/tor-spooks/

its easy to see both the upside and downside of this though.

its also only really a problem for americans. since the us government is paying to ensure other countries governments cant interfer with free communication.

its a matter of opinion wether they also managed to gain the ability to interfere with free communication themselves.

but since the "Next best alternative" is ssl/tls.

kinda a moot point.

Re: Belarus finally bans Tor

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Post by [deleted] »

rblatz wrote: post #64
Proof wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm from Finlan ld but visting the US, till February and I have a feeling US will watch Belarus very closely to see if it is successful thrn will try to quietly implement a ban or interfere with Tor as best as they can. Rule 41 is a mere Apptizer. The Americans have yet to receive their Entrés. What's even more scary is the radical laws being fought for in Canada as of today.

I doubt it, the US government invented and has been a major sponsor to the tor project. https://pando.com/2014/07/16/tor-spooks/

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Re: Belarus finally bans Tor

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Post by lucb1e »

breakingcups wrote: post #75
lucb1e wrote: post #63

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In Dutch we say aardappel (earth apple; means potato) to stupid people, not Germans in particular as far as I knew. It might originate from that, I don't know. Wat een aardappel! "What a dummy!"

I've never said that.

May be regional, I'm not sure. Might have picked it from in either Limburg, Noord-Brabant or Gelderland. Pretty sure though that it's fairly universal, even if it's not something lots of people say every day.

Re: Belarus finally bans Tor

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Post by lucb1e »

pif wrote: post #99
lucb1e wrote: post #63

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In Dutch we say aardappel (earth apple; means potato) to stupid people, not Germans in particular as far as I knew. It might originate from that, I don't know. Wat een aardappel! "What a dummy!"

> In Dutch we say aardappel (earth apple; means potato) to stupid people Same in France with "patate". Funny to notice that the more common French expression for "potato" is "pomme de terre" ("apple of earth"), just like in Dutch!

Patat in Dutch are french fries :D

Though in the south (both south NL and Flemish Belgium) they're called "friet", as in "gefrituurd" ("fries" as in "they're fried"). Still, patat is officially Dutch and according to some website 95% of the Flemish people and 100% of the Dutch people know the word.

Re: Belarus finally bans Tor

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Post by dang »

chippy wrote: post #95
dang wrote: post #73

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It did work. The "decision" was to try changing the rules for a short time to see what we could learn by doing so, and we learned a lot. We ended it early because (a) the learning stabilized and (b) there were costs to continuing. It's strange to me that so many people heard "just for a week" as "forever" and are continuing to comment as if those mean the same thing. The internet is weird.

Will you be making a "Tell HN" saying the experiment has ended with your thoughts? Are you okay replying to comments by users who do not know the experiment has ended? I would be comparing a) data after the first announcement b) data after your comment in an unrelated thread saying the experiement is over c) data after the week is over and d) data after you write the promised lessons learnt post.

Yes, we decided to try distributing the info in the threads and see how well that works. So far it seems to be working well, because (a) there aren't that many such comments (as of a few minutes ago there aren't any that haven't been replied to), and (b) nearly all of them are now getting replied to correctly before we even see them. Together with the fact that HN has gone back to approximately normal re political stories and flagging, that makes me believe the information is working its way through.

Making an announcement a la Tell HN doesn't necessarily disseminate information. In this case it would almost certainly turn into a huge rehash of the original argument, with new information getting drowned out in the process. There are so many counterintutive effects to this, and we're still learning--indeed I feel like we're still taking baby steps. Turning up the volume definitely doesn't necessarily turn up the communication.

Re: Belarus finally bans Tor

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Post by mirimir »

robjan wrote: post #106
JupiterMoon wrote: post #93

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The idea is that even if the host PC is pwned the Pi will still route the traffic from it via Tor.

If the host PC is pwned then it can still disclose useful information about itself (files, Geo locations, mac addresses) - it will just be routed over TOR.

True. So it must not contain anything that's associated with you, in any way. Buy with cash. No geolocation data. Dedicated LAN. No sneaker net sharing. Compartmentalization.
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