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Re: Reddit overhauls upvote algorithm to thwart cheaters

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Comments on the only big "Trump supporter" subreddit, that bans you for not being a Trump supporter. I think calling them "Trump supporters" is 100% appropriate.

It was on /r/Pizzagate, if I recall, which is a conspiracy sub accusing Hillary of running a pedophile ring - they were calling Spez a pedo.

It was on a thread on the_donald about pizzagate.

Re: Reddit overhauls upvote algorithm to thwart cheaters

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I'm near expert level in one or two categories. Its difficult to post about my views because they're academic and involve history, the debate, popular consensus, etc. My comments just get downvoted because the hivemind just wants simple answers. Those simple answers are easier to digest, easy to know if you agree or disagree, etc. This is also why /r/askhistorians is so heavily moderated. If you just let it run itsel…

Anyone can complain about a security vulnerability or so forth. However, in getting it fixed, it is reddit that did it, because the "doing it" was getting the high-profile attention of someone who could fix the problem, which requires a reddit-level audience. Similarly, if a newspaper publishes something about how a local company hurt a customer, it's the clout of the newspaper that "did it", not the customer.

>Anyone can complain about a security vulnerability or so forth.

The skillset to find a unknown security issue is rare. The skillset to post to reddit is common. I think you're wrong here. The author deserves the credit, not the site.

>Similarly, if a newspaper publishes something about how a local company hurt a customer, it's the clout of the newspaper that "did it"

Because the reporter is an employee of the newspaper and like all employees is part of the organization, so its easier to credit the organization. How is reddit like a newspaper? They aren't his employer. Its more like publishing something to the classified sections of a paper than being a reporter. It would be crazy to credit the paper for its classifieds.

Re: Reddit overhauls upvote algorithm to thwart cheaters

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It's pretty clear to me that Reddit has always lacked a solid experienced science-driven data person. Someone who can pinpoint an issue, formulate the issue into a product-driven concrete problem, come up with hypotheses on how to fix the problem, then use their vast wealth of data and users to test and/or implement them. It's not just the ad hoc unintuitive "solution" they came up with to mask votes (which most peop…

Redditor of 11 years here. I don't want another filter bubble that only shows me what it thinks I want to read (like Facebook). I want to see what other people are seeing, and not just like-minded people either. For that I can find subreddits and subscribe to them.

Personalized content discovery is not only about filter bubble and I believe the key word here is discovery, not shoving to your face in homepage. It can also mean discovering small subreddits that you might like. Or some old super popular posts that you might have missed.

Some of this would be forming a bubble (e.g. similarly minded subreddits to the ones you're following), and some not (e.g. somewhat random thing that you might like to binge read). You might find small subreddits on your own, that's great, but that might help other users.

No need to paint algorithmic stuff only in such dim light.

Re: Reddit overhauls upvote algorithm to thwart cheaters

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> anonymity -- real anonymity -- tends to let you see peoples' real dark opinions No, it lets you see a narrow slice of people's real, dark opinions. There are a whole host of opinions you'll never see on Voat because the user base is antagonistic to the basic ideas which underpin them, so there's no point in trying to express them on that platform. For example, the notion that men are psychologically torturing women…

Can you elaborate on what you mean by "men are psychologically torturing women just by enacting common male body movement patterns in the workplace" ?

This will probably be detached for being off-topic, but until then...

Men and women move in very different ways due to gender policing. Things like how much you are allowed to/required to move your hips side to side are different for men and women. Sometimes in the workplace women are put in positions of less influence and less pay. They experience repeated instances of being passed over, thwarted, harassed, etc, while men with less capabilities, less force of will, in many workplaces advance further on average. Something as small as the way someone moves their hips while they walk immediately signals their gender, which on a given day could trigger feelings of powerlessness.

Or consider a woman who was being harassed by a man at work, and the first man she told was skeptical it was meant in the way she thought it was. She went home and got support from a bunch of girlfriends. The next day you walk into her cube with your male movement, and she's thinking "is this one on his side too?" It's possible that a more female-typical mode of moving and entering would've been less triggering for her even on an otherwise male body.

I probably need to note that I am not suggesting that ONLY women experience things like this, or that ALL women experience things like this, just that it is something that happens.

Re: Reddit overhauls upvote algorithm to thwart cheaters

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Gotta keep the secret blacklist secret.

It would be trivial to test whether a site is blacklisted, that's not why the anti-spam code is private.

Why does it seem like people are assuming negativity in my post? I do think the secret blacklist should be kept secret.

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If I were in this position I would empower people to filter out cheap content, fluff, memes and keep the in depth discussions and articles. Each user could choose the filtering level.

Can they not do exactly that with their subscriptions? Unsubscribe from AdviceAnimals and subscribe to AskHistorians.

Sometimes there is a mix of fluff and insightful comments in the same subreddit, or even in the same comments thread.

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Because from my experience and what I have been told by users of both /pol/ and /leftypol/, people get banned less on /leftypol/ for opposing viewpoints. I also think that there is a difference between the boards in that /leftypol/ is quick to ridicule a sincere Maoist (Jason Unruhe) but I've seen that /pol/ will jump on the bandwagon of the nearest Holocaust-denier. I think that there is a lot more of a liberal and…

Interesting about people getting banned. I haven't browsed either for a while. More diverse within leftist politics, but across the political spectrum? I don't think a forum full of edgy memes is a great place for political discussion, /pol/ or /leftypol/

The memes are "banter" and fun, which a lot of people really do enjoy. It's like a bar, where you have most people talking about banalities, but there are a few people who will explain theory to you, link you to books, debate you etc.

Generally a thread is either a meme thread (with small discussion if any) or a serious thread with discussion.

Re: Reddit overhauls upvote algorithm to thwart cheaters

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> Admin KeyserSosa Is it me, or is it weird to see what are likely a names chosen when someone is adolescent or at least interacting in a non-professional capacity making their way into professional contexts, especially when they refer to another person, real or fictional (even if slightly changed)? Are the corporate executives of the next generation going to go by the aliases the likes of BillGaytes and BarackOsama?

It's mostly you. Or maybe it's me. I hate nothing more than the complaint that something is "unprofessional". It's a completely meaningless concept. If there's something actually wrong in how someone is acting, it's completely ok to call them out. Example: "'BillGaytes' and 'BarackOsama' are insulting to Bill Gates, Barack Obama, and the gay community. It inflicts harm on people without justification, and I expect yo…

I think I just chose some poor examples and used some an unfortunate set of words, because that's not really along the lines of what I was talking about.

I actually wasn't focusing on the names being insulting, and wasn't meaning BillGaytes to have any gay commentary, I just thought of a famous name, and then an alternate spelling that sounded the same, and didn't think of that affiliation at all at the time (I noticed a few minutes later when re-reading it, and almost edited it to point out that it wasn't my intention). BarackOsama I thought of just because Osama sounds like Obama, and then it seemed like something someone might use because of the affiliation so seemed a more realistic choice, but I didn't really intend for the focus to be on the names having negative connotations to be part of my point.

Really, it's more that it feels weird to have someone go by someone else's name, or some other artist's creation, and that's only a little alleviated by an alternate spelling. It's not about being "professional", I think, but about it being public. It's like the person is laying some claim to that other person's identity or creation through the name, and while in a limited context that feels acceptable, it feels weird to me when it's more public, as in a news post, or expressed to millions (or billions!) of people through that person's prominance.

I'm using the word "weird" because I can't really pin down what's causing my feelings about this. That may point towards it being some misfiring emotional attachment to a concept that doesn't really have a rational explanation, or there may be a rational objection that I'm having trouble formulating but my gut is catching. I'm not sure, which is why I'm trying to explore the idea here. where I might get some input to solidify my thoughts.

Re: Reddit overhauls upvote algorithm to thwart cheaters

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I agree. I am absolutely shocked at how many simply do not get the ramifications of that simple action. In some countries you can go to jail for your post history.

I'm shocked at how many people are so upset. Maybe you should be PGP signing your posts if their integrity is your top concern.

How would one PGP sign their post that prevent malicious editing after the fact?

Re: Reddit overhauls upvote algorithm to thwart cheaters

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> Source? The only thing they've done is prevent certain mod tools from being used a slingshot to the front page for specific subreddits. How about /u/spez himself: https://www.reddit.com/r/announcements/comments/5frg1n/tifu_... Quoting part of his post (feel free to Ctrl-F to find the context): >> Posts stickied on r/the_donald will no longer appear in r/all. It's not a global change to everybody. It's only for that…

>> And this wasn't done out of hatred, it was done have consistent and continual abuse of those mod tools to antagonize the rest of the community. >Oh really? Then why not apply it to every subreddit? Because every subreddit wasn't abusing the system? I thought that was pretty explicit in what you quoted.

They were abusing what system? Having a popular sub that people like to upvote posts on?
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