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How Google Is Challenging AWS

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Re: How Google Is Challenging AWS

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tldr; competition is good. Google Cloud UI is vastly superior to AWS. It's clear to me AWS didn't put a lot of effort into their interface, Google console is nice too in order to quickly experiment with the platform. On the other hand, it seems to me that AWS is still cheaper than GCloud right now.

>AWS is still cheaper than GCloud right now

How so?

I thought this was brought up just a week ago saying GCloud is consistently cheaper:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12993021

Re: How Google Is Challenging AWS

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post #18

tldr; competition is good. Google Cloud UI is vastly superior to AWS. It's clear to me AWS didn't put a lot of effort into their interface, Google console is nice too in order to quickly experiment with the platform. On the other hand, it seems to me that AWS is still cheaper than GCloud right now.

UI doesn't really matter for people with enough instances to care about money. Nobody is going to blow $1,000/mo because the interface is nicer.

Re: How Google Is Challenging AWS

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Having worked at both places for ~4 years each, I would say Amazon is much more of a product company, and a platform is really a collection of compelling products.

Amazon really puts customers first. Their platform and organization are made up of small teams that own services with well-defined interfaces, accountable for customer metrics. All profits are reinvested, so resources and perks are scarce, efficiency matters, and management is tight. The platform emerged because internal teams thought of their infrastructure services as products with customers.

Google really puts ideas (or technology) first; it aims to hire the smartest people and rewards them for launching new things and solving complex problems rather than optimizing UX or making customers happy. Resources are ample and management is loose, so individual contributors can try new things with greater leisure. It's been compared to grad school. But simplifying customer experience is less of a priority, so the internal infrastructure was notoriously complex and hard to use. They're now learning to prioritize customers, but it's hard to change culture.

Of course, both companies are huge and diverse and evolving, so you'll find plenty of variance.

App Engine wasn't evidence of Google being a product company, nor does it exemplify the company's strategy. It was a grassroots project that for years didn't receive much leadership support, but was still allowed to launch and grow.

Re: How Google Is Challenging AWS

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It would be nice if they managed the transfer themselves via AWS Snowball. Sure, they would have upfront costs, but based on what I spend on AWS monthly, it's probably worth it to them.

Why would you want to move data between AWS and GCP using a hard drive? The networks between the two cloud providers are immense.

The networks between the two cloud providers are also immensely expensive to use.

Re: How Google Is Challenging AWS

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I would like to try out google cloud due to its lower costs, but don't trust them with my data--partially perception I know. Also Amazon has never failed me over the last 15 years I've been doing business with them, so I'll probably continue despite the clunkiness of their products.

Re: How Google Is Challenging AWS

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post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why would you want to move data between AWS and GCP using a hard drive? The networks between the two cloud providers are immense.

At some point (many 1000s of terrabytes) it is faster and cheaper to ship the data on physical devices than it is to send it over the network. (I work for AWS)

Yup, and I work for Google. We routinely copy petabytes between AWS and GCP. It's not currently more efficient to ship petabytes if you include the time to copy to the device and then recover it.

Re: How Google Is Challenging AWS

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why would you want to move data between AWS and GCP using a hard drive? The networks between the two cloud providers are immense.

"Never underestimate the bandwidth of a station wagon full of tapes hurtling down the highway."

I never do. Nor do I underestimate the bandwidth between cloud providers.
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