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Re: Adobe Responds to Jobs

#51

Post by hgiue »

spot wrote: post #47
callmeed wrote: post #39

"Clearly, a lot of people are passionate about both Apple and Adobe and our technologies." Ha. I haven't met many people who are "passionate" about Adobe technologies. I don't see Flash stickers on cars or people lining up around the block to buy Photoshop CS5. I don't think the people taking Adobe's side on this do it out of passion–they do it because they don't like how Apple is handling the situation.

the only reason i have a mac is to run photoshop and after effects. otherwise ubuntu is a fine replacement for mac os x.

You bought a Mac to run Photoshop and After Effects, instead of just installing Windows on your PC that's running Ubuntu if I understand things right here? Nice.

Re: Adobe Responds to Jobs

#52

Post by jsz0 »

It's going to be very interesting to see how Adobe handles Flash on all these different platforms. There's a lot to consider: Various screen resolutions, CPU/GPU speeds, memory capacities, browsers, touch vs. non-touch devices, etc. This covers about half a dozen major platforms and probably hundreds of different handset models. It seems like a monumental task to take on. Can they keep up with frequent platform updates?

Re: Adobe Responds to Jobs

#53

Post by spot »

hgiue wrote: post #51
spot wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

the only reason i have a mac is to run photoshop and after effects. otherwise ubuntu is a fine replacement for mac os x.

You bought a Mac to run Photoshop and After Effects, instead of just installing Windows on your PC that's running Ubuntu if I understand things right here? Nice.

windows is not a fine replacement for either :)

in fact i run ubuntu on a mac mini (in addition to lots of generic pc hardware). i like mac hardware. some of it is overpriced, but some of it is fine.

Re: Adobe Responds to Jobs

#54

Post by jarek »

thought_alarm wrote: post #19
gill_bates wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Go back through the history of Apple's (and its many, many sycophantic fans) proclamations - such as apps on the phone, push notifications, multitasking - and there is a disturbing trend of Apple (and its followeres) making moral pontifications, stamping their feet, and then quietly and shamelessly backtracking when proven wrong. Jobs is trying to undermine the competition because he fears that he made the wrong choi…

> Jobs is trying to undermine the competition because he fears that he made the wrong choice. You think so? Smart-phones have been around a long time. The iPhone was announced over three years ago, yet here we are in the middle of 2010 and mobile Flash is still nowhere to be found on any mobile device. How is that not Adobe's fault? Is Adobe just not very interested in mobile Flash, or are there very serious technica…

Others have already pointed out the N900.

On a more historical note, mobile Flash did exist in 2007. I was using it to watch Youtube on my Nokia N800. It was slow -- the device didn't have enough CPU power to simultaneously download and playback, so you had to pause the video and let it cache completely first. But it most definitely did exist, and I am convinced that implementation would have worked well on 2009 hardware. The N800 wasn't exactly a breakthrough device, nor was it super popular. Yet Adobe somehow managed to deliver for Nokia.

The N800 was introduced in early 2007. Its predecessor, the 770, was introduced in late 2005, with Flash out of the box. I never owned one so I cannot comment on the performance.

I would also challenge your statements regarding Apple delivering HTML video for mobile devices -- mostly the HTML years ago part. Also, H.264, which Apple is pushing, is by no means an open standard, which some of their competitors have issues with.

Re: Adobe Responds to Jobs

#55

Post by petercooper »

Apple could buy Adobe. They have more than double Adobe's market cap sitting around in cash. Forgetting Flash, Adobe is a cash cow, has a lot of great engineers, and some amazing software I'm sure Apple would love to brand as their own.

Re: Adobe Responds to Jobs

#56

Post by jarek »

powellc wrote: post #21
mahmud wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You know what is draconian? removing a programming environment for children from the App store.

Haha. Touche, sir. Apple is certainly draconian, but Adobe is no saint I guess was my point. Flash and HTML5 are competing technologies, and one is an open format.

... and the other, in Apple's implementation at least, uses H.264.

Re: Adobe Responds to Jobs

#57

Post by anonjon »

allyt wrote: post #28
samd wrote: post #4

Adobe is basically saying that Flash will be available on competitor's phones and the market will decide; which is exactly the right response. I wish most tech bloggers would take this view and just shut up with the endless "analysis" of Flash and Apple. Flamewars don't decide anything, the market does.

Let's keep in mind, however, that there is not really one monolithic "market". Just as McDonalds co-exists with Jean Georges, the legions of Android clones running Flash, etc. will peacefully coexist with iPhones, except without the responsive UX, battery life, or even a fundamental sense of taste. (edit: would the downvoters like to justify themselves? have they seen a Android device with a responsive UI? I haven't.…

Does this really need to be explained?

You went a little bit overboard on the rhetoric. The analogy between Android vs iPhone and McDonald's vs Jean Georges is over the top. It comes off as snobbery.

'Fundamental sense of taste'? really?

Re: Adobe Responds to Jobs

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Post by Vivtek »

allyt wrote: post #28
samd wrote: post #4

Adobe is basically saying that Flash will be available on competitor's phones and the market will decide; which is exactly the right response. I wish most tech bloggers would take this view and just shut up with the endless "analysis" of Flash and Apple. Flamewars don't decide anything, the market does.

Let's keep in mind, however, that there is not really one monolithic "market". Just as McDonalds co-exists with Jean Georges, the legions of Android clones running Flash, etc. will peacefully coexist with iPhones, except without the responsive UX, battery life, or even a fundamental sense of taste. (edit: would the downvoters like to justify themselves? have they seen a Android device with a responsive UI? I haven't.…

Yeah, my guess is you're being downvoted for implying that anybody who doesn't agree with you is showing a fundamental inability to perceive taste. That implicit value judgment really weakens your argument.

Re: Adobe Responds to Jobs

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Post by varaon »

CrazedGeek wrote: post #43
kirse wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have Flash on my Nokia N900... Runs smoothly and nicely, too! Directly via the default Firefox browser! This may come as a surprise to some, but there's a whole mobile world outside of the Apple iPhone... you get far better hardware, no lock-in, and (now with Android/Maemo) a very solid UI.

Can you send a little of that smooth-and-nice my way? You say there's no lock-in outside of the iPhone, but what do you call Flash? Yes, the spec is technically open, but there still haven't been any players that work as "well" as Adobe's. Which, by the way, is many people's problem, as Flash Player has been nothing but a pain to me. The Linux and OS X versions are horrible and Adobe's done very little to fix them. A…

> Yes, the spec is technically open, but there still haven't been any players that work as "well" as Adobe's.

It's a valid point, but a lack of good competition doesn't make the standard any less open; published is published. Consider 2002-2004, when Internet Explorer had nearly 95% market share [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_share_of_web_browsers]. HTML was an open standard, but no viable competitor existed until Firefox was released.

Re: Adobe Responds to Jobs

#60

Post by elpuri »

thought_alarm wrote: post #19
gill_bates wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Go back through the history of Apple's (and its many, many sycophantic fans) proclamations - such as apps on the phone, push notifications, multitasking - and there is a disturbing trend of Apple (and its followeres) making moral pontifications, stamping their feet, and then quietly and shamelessly backtracking when proven wrong. Jobs is trying to undermine the competition because he fears that he made the wrong choi…

> Jobs is trying to undermine the competition because he fears that he made the wrong choice. You think so? Smart-phones have been around a long time. The iPhone was announced over three years ago, yet here we are in the middle of 2010 and mobile Flash is still nowhere to be found on any mobile device. How is that not Adobe's fault? Is Adobe just not very interested in mobile Flash, or are there very serious technica…

I think Symbian (S60) devices have had flash since 2004 or something and they've shipped tens of millions of devices since then. Also at least Nokia's Symbian devices are OMAP based like iPhone.

I'm not saying that Adobe's Flash has had a huge impact on the Symbian world, but just to get the facts straight.

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