too fast of a response... and not well worded enough
Adobe Responds to Jobs
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Re: Adobe Responds to Jobs
#42Adobe is basically saying that Flash will be available on competitor's phones and the market will decide; which is exactly the right response. I wish most tech bloggers would take this view and just shut up with the endless "analysis" of Flash and Apple. Flamewars don't decide anything, the market does.
Yeah this was a clearly worded and classy response, definitely better than I expected.
i disagree. they ignored all the main points in apple's argument. a "This is why Flash is worthwhile" response is better than a "Well, at least we'll be on android."
Re: Adobe Responds to Jobs
#43Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Jobs is trying to undermine the competition because he fears that he made the wrong choice. You think so? Smart-phones have been around a long time. The iPhone was announced over three years ago, yet here we are in the middle of 2010 and mobile Flash is still nowhere to be found on any mobile device. How is that not Adobe's fault? Is Adobe just not very interested in mobile Flash, or are there very serious technica…
I have Flash on my Nokia N900... Runs smoothly and nicely, too! Directly via the default Firefox browser! This may come as a surprise to some, but there's a whole mobile world outside of the Apple iPhone... you get far better hardware, no lock-in, and (now with Android/Maemo) a very solid UI.
Can you send a little of that smooth-and-nice my way?
You say there's no lock-in outside of the iPhone, but what do you call Flash? Yes, the spec is technically open, but there still haven't been any players that work as "well" as Adobe's. Which, by the way, is many people's problem, as Flash Player has been nothing but a pain to me. The Linux and OS X versions are horrible and Adobe's done very little to fix them.
Also, I'd kinda dispute the "better hardware" and "solid UI" claims - better is very subjective, and Android's UI could hardly be considered "solid" (the portions of MeeGo from Moblin look promising though).
(I feel silly to include this, but it could be necessary: I don't currently own a single Apple product, my main computers run Windows & Linux, and my phone is a Samsung Moment which runs Android 2.1.)
Re: Adobe Responds to Jobs
#44Adobe is basically saying that Flash will be available on competitor's phones and the market will decide; which is exactly the right response. I wish most tech bloggers would take this view and just shut up with the endless "analysis" of Flash and Apple. Flamewars don't decide anything, the market does.
Let's keep in mind, however, that there is not really one monolithic "market". Just as McDonalds co-exists with Jean Georges, the legions of Android clones running Flash, etc. will peacefully coexist with iPhones, except without the responsive UX, battery life, or even a fundamental sense of taste. (edit: would the downvoters like to justify themselves? have they seen a Android device with a responsive UI? I haven't.…
the nexus one is totally responsive. have you seen it?
i didn't downvote you, but i would guess it's for "fundamental sense of taste". that's just ranting.
plus i am not aware of any evidence that the iphone has a better battery life than a comparable android device (like the nexus one). do you? or are you just reciting the talking points?
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#45Does this sentence make zero sense to anyone else? We feel confident that were Apple and Adobe to work together as we are with a number of other partners, we could provide a terrific experience with Flash on the iPhone, iPad and iPod touch.
Thanks for clearing it up guys, I misread about 3 times in a row.
Re: Adobe Responds to Jobs
#46Adobe is basically saying that Flash will be available on competitor's phones and the market will decide; which is exactly the right response. I wish most tech bloggers would take this view and just shut up with the endless "analysis" of Flash and Apple. Flamewars don't decide anything, the market does.
Go back through the history of Apple's (and its many, many sycophantic fans) proclamations - such as apps on the phone, push notifications, multitasking - and there is a disturbing trend of Apple (and its followeres) making moral pontifications, stamping their feet, and then quietly and shamelessly backtracking when proven wrong. Jobs is trying to undermine the competition because he fears that he made the wrong choi…
true -- but this time he seems to have gone too far to turn back. then again, remember when PowerPC was better than Intel? Jobs is a master of the Big Lie.
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#47"Clearly, a lot of people are passionate about both Apple and Adobe and our technologies." Ha. I haven't met many people who are "passionate" about Adobe technologies. I don't see Flash stickers on cars or people lining up around the block to buy Photoshop CS5. I don't think the people taking Adobe's side on this do it out of passion–they do it because they don't like how Apple is handling the situation.
the only reason i have a mac is to run photoshop and after effects. otherwise ubuntu is a fine replacement for mac os x.
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#48I'm glad that Adobe decided to take the mature route. Further lashing out against Apple would have only exacerbated the situation. In the end, Jobs provided a very rational argument and the brevity of Adobe's response lends itself well to that conclusion.
> In the end, Jobs provided a very hypocritical argument
FTFY
Re: Adobe Responds to Jobs
#49Does this sentence make zero sense to anyone else? We feel confident that were Apple and Adobe to work together as we are with a number of other partners, we could provide a terrific experience with Flash on the iPhone, iPad and iPod touch.
It's interesting that many find the English subjunctive hard to parse. I think in a generation or two it will will not be seen in contemporary prose.
Re: Adobe Responds to Jobs
#50Adobe is basically saying that Flash will be available on competitor's phones and the market will decide; which is exactly the right response. I wish most tech bloggers would take this view and just shut up with the endless "analysis" of Flash and Apple. Flamewars don't decide anything, the market does.
Let's keep in mind, however, that there is not really one monolithic "market". Just as McDonalds co-exists with Jean Georges, the legions of Android clones running Flash, etc. will peacefully coexist with iPhones, except without the responsive UX, battery life, or even a fundamental sense of taste. (edit: would the downvoters like to justify themselves? have they seen a Android device with a responsive UI? I haven't.…
"without the responsive UX, battery life, or even a fundamental sense of taste"
Pretty strong words.
I won't be surprised if this guy has not tried the Droid, Droid Incredible, or Nexus One.
He's likely repeating what he reads on Twitter and tech blogs.
I have the Nexus One and for me, it's more responsive than the IPhone 3GS. Oh and I have actually used an IPhone!
Android 2.1's UI is also drastically better than 1.6.
I'm not saying Android is better than the IPhone. It's a matter of personal taste.