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Re: Grafana 4.0 with alerting is released

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Post by all_usernames »

user5994461 wrote: post #30

Quick note for the ones who are tired of the giant clusterfuck of open-source tools for monitoring + alerting + storage + other, which is no less than: - statsd - collectd - graphite - whisper - carbon - prometheus - grafana - seyren - riemann - nagios - icinga - zabbix There are multiple modern SaaS software that will do all of that in a single tool with better integrations, more polish, less work and no maintenance…

For installations of a few hundred instances or more, some of the SaaS offerings cost more than the engineering salaries it would take to maintain the OSS tools.

Re: Grafana 4.0 with alerting is released

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Post by jmedefind »

user5994461 wrote: post #26
pfranz wrote: post #11

I'm currently using Prometheus, Grafana, and Alertmanager. I'm a big fan of the linux terminal, versioned config files, and separation of concerns but the rest of my team prefers web interfaces so I'm basically the only one maintaining Alertmanager. Grafana Altering looks appealing. What have other people had success with?

I've had success with killing all the s * free open source tools (Grafana, graphite, prometheus, whisper, icinga, nagios, carbon, ganglia, influxdb, zabbix...) And using a single paid tool that does the job better AND doesn't kill me in maintenance work. See https://www.datadoghq.com/ as leader or https://signalfx.com/ as the second comer, or http://www.bmcsoftware.uk/it-solutions/truesight.html if you're enterprisey…

I don't see how anyone can afford SaaS metrics/alert services at any sort of real scale.

$15/month/host gets expensive fast. Datadog doesn't start providing discounts till you are at 1000+ hosts.

Re: Grafana 4.0 with alerting is released

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Post by user5994461 »

all_usernames wrote: post #31
user5994461 wrote: post #30

Quick note for the ones who are tired of the giant clusterfuck of open-source tools for monitoring + alerting + storage + other, which is no less than: - statsd - collectd - graphite - whisper - carbon - prometheus - grafana - seyren - riemann - nagios - icinga - zabbix There are multiple modern SaaS software that will do all of that in a single tool with better integrations, more polish, less work and no maintenance…

For installations of a few hundred instances or more, some of the SaaS offerings cost more than the engineering salaries it would take to maintain the OSS tools.

To have been on the maintainer sides of the OSS tools, your statement is untrue.

The OSS tools costs a fortune in human to maintain them, and another fortune in hardware to run it.

Re: Grafana 4.0 with alerting is released

#35

Post by user5994461 »

jmedefind wrote: post #32
user5994461 wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've had success with killing all the s * free open source tools (Grafana, graphite, prometheus, whisper, icinga, nagios, carbon, ganglia, influxdb, zabbix...) And using a single paid tool that does the job better AND doesn't kill me in maintenance work. See https://www.datadoghq.com/ as leader or https://signalfx.com/ as the second comer, or http://www.bmcsoftware.uk/it-solutions/truesight.html if you're enterprisey…

I don't see how anyone can afford SaaS metrics/alert services at any sort of real scale. $15/month/host gets expensive fast. Datadog doesn't start providing discounts till you are at 1000+ hosts.

All vendors provide discount if you negotiate. ;)

$15 * 500 hosts = $7500 per month.

If you think it's expensive, I can only advise you to check how much the hardware will costs on EC2 to run the free tools, plus how much work it will take to get the 8 different and independent OSS tools to work not only alone but integrate together, plus how much additional work and maintenance to keep it working without hiccups (war story: there is nothing worse than a monitoring tool that is less reliable than the thing it monitors).

Re: Grafana 4.0 with alerting is released

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Post by mattkrea »

cheald wrote: post #16

Influx + Telegraf + Grafana is such a simple, sweet stack. No work to maintain, trivial to set up, I can ship just about anything I want into it, and reporting is fast. With alerting in place now, I'm even happier than ever. A huge thank you to the Grafana team for solving a huge pain point!

What kind of volume are you sending into Influx? It crashed on me probably 5 times a day with only 100 requests per second.

Re: Grafana 4.0 with alerting is released

#37

Post by pritianka »

user5994461 wrote: post #30

Quick note for the ones who are tired of the giant clusterfuck of open-source tools for monitoring + alerting + storage + other, which is no less than: - statsd - collectd - graphite - whisper - carbon - prometheus - grafana - seyren - riemann - nagios - icinga - zabbix There are multiple modern SaaS software that will do all of that in a single tool with better integrations, more polish, less work and no maintenance…

For microservices based architectures, things like OpenTracing can go a long way in de-cluttering the clusterfuck. Of course, it requires developers being up to speed on distributed tracing, which isn't the case across the board. http://opentracing.io

Re: Grafana 4.0 with alerting is released

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Post by katabatic »

user5994461 wrote: post #34
all_usernames wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For installations of a few hundred instances or more, some of the SaaS offerings cost more than the engineering salaries it would take to maintain the OSS tools.

To have been on the maintainer sides of the OSS tools, your statement is untrue. The OSS tools costs a fortune in human to maintain them, and another fortune in hardware to run it.

Datadog will cost you $165,600 a year for 600 hosts. That is objectively equal to a very well paid engineer. So no, the statement is not untrue.

(I picked 600 because that was the approximate number of machines we had at my last job, where we used Graphite maintained by one guy, part time).

You included a LOT of redundancy in your OSS list. Multiple timeseries databases. Multiple collection daemons. Multiple dashboards. Multiple alerting systems (Who in their right mind would use Nagios AND Icinga?). You're effectively arguing about maintaining multiple monitoring stacks, some of which are quited aged.

Re: Grafana 4.0 with alerting is released

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Post by hoov »

mattkrea wrote: post #36
cheald wrote: post #16

Influx + Telegraf + Grafana is such a simple, sweet stack. No work to maintain, trivial to set up, I can ship just about anything I want into it, and reporting is fast. With alerting in place now, I'm even happier than ever. A huge thank you to the Grafana team for solving a huge pain point!

What kind of volume are you sending into Influx? It crashed on me probably 5 times a day with only 100 requests per second.

Was this an older build? We had serious issues at first, but our setup is pretty stable these days.

Re: Grafana 4.0 with alerting is released

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Post by [deleted] »

mattkrea wrote: post #36
cheald wrote: post #16

Influx + Telegraf + Grafana is such a simple, sweet stack. No work to maintain, trivial to set up, I can ship just about anything I want into it, and reporting is fast. With alerting in place now, I'm even happier than ever. A huge thank you to the Grafana team for solving a huge pain point!

What kind of volume are you sending into Influx? It crashed on me probably 5 times a day with only 100 requests per second.

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