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Re: Windows on New Macbook Pro Permanently Damages Speaker Due to Poor Drivers

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Post by dec0dedab0de »

2bluesc wrote: post #3

Sounds like the audio amp is too powerful for the speakers if it permanently damages it. I'm betting the amp is integrated into a multi function chip or codec where it was selected because of integrated features rather then matched to the required speaker power.

I'm betting the amp is integrated into a multi function chip or codec where it was selected because of integrated features rather then matched to the required speaker power.

And the speakers were probably chosen for form factor.

Re: Windows on New Macbook Pro Permanently Damages Speaker Due to Poor Drivers

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Post by Thane »

hartator wrote: post #15

I think I am starting to get worried about the future of Apple. 2016 was a bad year. New iPhone has been the worst selling one in relative numbers since the iPhone. New MacBooks has several issues and controversial choices, while not bringing anything substantial to the table. New Watch changes are so small, nobody noticed an update.

The volume button placement opposite of the power button...

Re: Windows on New Macbook Pro Permanently Damages Speaker Due to Poor Drivers

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Post by econnors »

hartator wrote: post #15

I think I am starting to get worried about the future of Apple. 2016 was a bad year. New iPhone has been the worst selling one in relative numbers since the iPhone. New MacBooks has several issues and controversial choices, while not bringing anything substantial to the table. New Watch changes are so small, nobody noticed an update.

Anecdotally, among my (20 something year old) friends, the iPhone used to be a must-have for many reasons; now, it's only a must-have for imessage. If android phones could send "blue texts" than I'm sure many would switch over.

Re: Windows on New Macbook Pro Permanently Damages Speaker Due to Poor Drivers

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Post by [deleted] »

2bluesc wrote: post #3

Sounds like the audio amp is too powerful for the speakers if it permanently damages it. I'm betting the amp is integrated into a multi function chip or codec where it was selected because of integrated features rather then matched to the required speaker power.

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Re: Windows on New Macbook Pro Permanently Damages Speaker Due to Poor Drivers

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Post by ingenium »

engi_nerd wrote: post #13
slantyyz wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, the GPU issues - but like you said they didn't manifest themselves right away. I got hit by the 2011 MBP issue a year or so in. I had to buy a new laptop because Apple didn't issue the repair order until well after my AppleCare expired and I wasn't going to pay $500+ for the repair not knowing whether Apple would eventually pick up the tab.

It took 4 years for the GPU in my 2011 MBP to die. Apple still covers GPU repairs on those models (or at least they did in 2015). They refused service on my laptop because I had upgraded the hard drive (to an SSD) and RAM (upgraded to 16 Gigs). I pointed out that the user's manual for the 2011 Macbook Pro specifically says that upgrading these components does not void the warranty for the entire machine, just that Ap…

Had a similar issue with a PowerMac G5. It was the liquid cooled variant, top specced version, paid around $3500 for it in 2004. Just after the 2 year mark, the o-ring failed and leaked coolant onto the logic board, obviously frying it. It was a documented known issue with the first run of G5s (they changed o-ring manufacturers shortly after they started production), and the o-rings were failing and leaking coolant.

Absolutely refused to fix it, wanted $1500 to replace the logic board and the liquid cooling system. I've refused to buy Apple ever since.

Re: Windows on New Macbook Pro Permanently Damages Speaker Due to Poor Drivers

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Post by mi100hael »

hartator wrote: post #15

I think I am starting to get worried about the future of Apple. 2016 was a bad year. New iPhone has been the worst selling one in relative numbers since the iPhone. New MacBooks has several issues and controversial choices, while not bringing anything substantial to the table. New Watch changes are so small, nobody noticed an update.

Yeah it really feels like they're in full Ballmer mode and just capitalizing off of their own popularity right now rather than continuing to innovate (and doing it badly, at that). I was through-and-through a fanboy for the past 15+ years, but I've finally started moving away from the Apple ecosystem. Both their hardware & software QC has clearly been going downhill, and their design decisions are increasingly frustrating to the end user.

Re: Windows on New Macbook Pro Permanently Damages Speaker Due to Poor Drivers

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Post by slantyyz »

valine wrote: post #16
slantyyz wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, the GPU issues - but like you said they didn't manifest themselves right away. I got hit by the 2011 MBP issue a year or so in. I had to buy a new laptop because Apple didn't issue the repair order until well after my AppleCare expired and I wasn't going to pay $500+ for the repair not knowing whether Apple would eventually pick up the tab.

I had my 2011 MacBook Pro graphics fail earlier this month, which apple kindly fixed. Just today apple announced they consider the 2011 MacBook Pro obsolete and will no longer provide hardware support. I imagine anyone who hasn't been lucky enough for their graphics to fail will soon have nothing but a giant aluminum paperweight.

In a way, you're lucky because of timing.

There was a gap of several months where 2011 MBP owners' AppleCare had expired before the Repair Order was issued - and people like me whose machines had failed were faced with a hard choice - pay >$500 for a fix or buy a new laptop.

Prior to the repair order, the logic board replacements had the same GPU defect. I had my logic board replaced once already under AppleCare, and it got GPU glitches within 3 months of the repair. There was no point in replacing it again and again only to get the same problem over again.

The GPU problem is genuinely fixed with the post-Repair Order boards though.

I imagine the situation was even worse for people who did not buy AppleCare.

Re: Windows on New Macbook Pro Permanently Damages Speaker Due to Poor Drivers

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Post by slantyyz »

valine wrote: post #20
engi_nerd wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It took 4 years for the GPU in my 2011 MBP to die. Apple still covers GPU repairs on those models (or at least they did in 2015). They refused service on my laptop because I had upgraded the hard drive (to an SSD) and RAM (upgraded to 16 Gigs). I pointed out that the user's manual for the 2011 Macbook Pro specifically says that upgrading these components does not void the warranty for the entire machine, just that Ap…

That's odd. I also upgraded my 2011 MacBook Pro to an ssd and 16 gigs of ram, and I had my logicbaord replaced under their extended repair program last month. The Apple Store guy even offered to repair it in the store to make sure my modifications weren't altered.

From what I've read related to the 2011 MBP fix on the Apple support boards, your experience at the Apple store can vary significantly from store to store.

Re: Windows on New Macbook Pro Permanently Damages Speaker Due to Poor Drivers

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Post by kalleboo »

engi_nerd wrote: post #13
slantyyz wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, the GPU issues - but like you said they didn't manifest themselves right away. I got hit by the 2011 MBP issue a year or so in. I had to buy a new laptop because Apple didn't issue the repair order until well after my AppleCare expired and I wasn't going to pay $500+ for the repair not knowing whether Apple would eventually pick up the tab.

It took 4 years for the GPU in my 2011 MBP to die. Apple still covers GPU repairs on those models (or at least they did in 2015). They refused service on my laptop because I had upgraded the hard drive (to an SSD) and RAM (upgraded to 16 Gigs). I pointed out that the user's manual for the 2011 Macbook Pro specifically says that upgrading these components does not void the warranty for the entire machine, just that Ap…

My sister was in the same situation and shopped around a couple Authorized Repair Centers until one would accept it

Re: Windows on New Macbook Pro Permanently Damages Speaker Due to Poor Drivers

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Post by beachstartup »

hartator wrote: post #15

I think I am starting to get worried about the future of Apple. 2016 was a bad year. New iPhone has been the worst selling one in relative numbers since the iPhone. New MacBooks has several issues and controversial choices, while not bringing anything substantial to the table. New Watch changes are so small, nobody noticed an update.

they also seem to have abandoned the mac pro, and have dropped os x (mac os, ehh) support for older mac pros that are still very productive and useful (2008+) models which still have 8 xeon cores.

i fear they are going into a mid-late 1990s period of stagnation and product confusion, but this time there's no steve jobs.

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