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Re: Windows on New Macbook Pro Permanently Damages Speaker Due to Poor Drivers

#11

The amount of hardware issues with the new MBP are kinda staggering.... USB-C issues, GPU issues, image corruption, now this.

That's the lot of early adopters. Too be fair any widely popular product will have its share of problems, and since we in the west basically stopped caring about the conditions in which these products are built...

Re: Windows on New Macbook Pro Permanently Damages Speaker Due to Poor Drivers

#12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

GPU issues plagued some previous models also but not this early, usually after 1-2 years due to less than optimal thermal design, but Apple usually had an extended warranty program for those. I don't remember a release with so many weird issues, that honestly should've been picked up pretty early during the design and acceptance phases.

Yeah, the GPU issues - but like you said they didn't manifest themselves right away. I got hit by the 2011 MBP issue a year or so in. I had to buy a new laptop because Apple didn't issue the repair order until well after my AppleCare expired and I wasn't going to pay $500+ for the repair not knowing whether Apple would eventually pick up the tab.

TBH not any less excusable since laptops should be tested in a thermal chamber and for a long duration, but PR wise it wasn't this bad.

And what's worse it just hints a deeper issues, the 6/6plus bendgate and the more recent display gate were kinda meh, now this line which not only had some questionable design choices but also has multiple hardware issues.

Things just seem to be broken.

Re: Windows on New Macbook Pro Permanently Damages Speaker Due to Poor Drivers

#13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

GPU issues plagued some previous models also but not this early, usually after 1-2 years due to less than optimal thermal design, but Apple usually had an extended warranty program for those. I don't remember a release with so many weird issues, that honestly should've been picked up pretty early during the design and acceptance phases.

Yeah, the GPU issues - but like you said they didn't manifest themselves right away. I got hit by the 2011 MBP issue a year or so in. I had to buy a new laptop because Apple didn't issue the repair order until well after my AppleCare expired and I wasn't going to pay $500+ for the repair not knowing whether Apple would eventually pick up the tab.

It took 4 years for the GPU in my 2011 MBP to die. Apple still covers GPU repairs on those models (or at least they did in 2015). They refused service on my laptop because I had upgraded the hard drive (to an SSD) and RAM (upgraded to 16 Gigs). I pointed out that the user's manual for the 2011 Macbook Pro specifically says that upgrading these components does not void the warranty for the entire machine, just that Apple will not cover your new HD and RAM (rightfully so).

Apple customer support refused to live up to the text of their manual, even when I read directly from it and requested that they repair the faulty GPU because I had remained within the terms of the manual.

They lost my business.

Re: Windows on New Macbook Pro Permanently Damages Speaker Due to Poor Drivers

#14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, the GPU issues - but like you said they didn't manifest themselves right away. I got hit by the 2011 MBP issue a year or so in. I had to buy a new laptop because Apple didn't issue the repair order until well after my AppleCare expired and I wasn't going to pay $500+ for the repair not knowing whether Apple would eventually pick up the tab.

TBH not any less excusable since laptops should be tested in a thermal chamber and for a long duration, but PR wise it wasn't this bad. And what's worse it just hints a deeper issues, the 6/6plus bendgate and the more recent display gate were kinda meh, now this line which not only had some questionable design choices but also has multiple hardware issues. Things just seem to be broken.

Usually the predictable venom comes from Apple haters, but with this particular release, a lot of the venom has actually come from Apple lovers, which is what makes this particular release so noteworthy in my opinion.

Re: Windows on New Macbook Pro Permanently Damages Speaker Due to Poor Drivers

#15
I think I am starting to get worried about the future of Apple.

2016 was a bad year. New iPhone has been the worst selling one in relative numbers since the iPhone. New MacBooks has several issues and controversial choices, while not bringing anything substantial to the table. New Watch changes are so small, nobody noticed an update.

Re: Windows on New Macbook Pro Permanently Damages Speaker Due to Poor Drivers

#16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

GPU issues plagued some previous models also but not this early, usually after 1-2 years due to less than optimal thermal design, but Apple usually had an extended warranty program for those. I don't remember a release with so many weird issues, that honestly should've been picked up pretty early during the design and acceptance phases.

Yeah, the GPU issues - but like you said they didn't manifest themselves right away. I got hit by the 2011 MBP issue a year or so in. I had to buy a new laptop because Apple didn't issue the repair order until well after my AppleCare expired and I wasn't going to pay $500+ for the repair not knowing whether Apple would eventually pick up the tab.

I had my 2011 MacBook Pro graphics fail earlier this month, which apple kindly fixed. Just today apple announced they consider the 2011 MacBook Pro obsolete and will no longer provide hardware support. I imagine anyone who hasn't been lucky enough for their graphics to fail will soon have nothing but a giant aluminum paperweight.

Re: Windows on New Macbook Pro Permanently Damages Speaker Due to Poor Drivers

#17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

TBH not any less excusable since laptops should be tested in a thermal chamber and for a long duration, but PR wise it wasn't this bad. And what's worse it just hints a deeper issues, the 6/6plus bendgate and the more recent display gate were kinda meh, now this line which not only had some questionable design choices but also has multiple hardware issues. Things just seem to be broken.

Usually the predictable venom comes from Apple haters, but with this particular release, a lot of the venom has actually come from Apple lovers, which is what makes this particular release so noteworthy in my opinion.

Hypothesis: 4-5 years ago a lot of people bought the rMBP, which continues to be, in my opinion, the greatest laptop ever made. We were looking forward to upgrading to something even more spectacular in a year or two. Instead, Apple gave us a gimmicky touch bar, beta quality USB-C ports, no MagSafe, and no indication that they see any of this as anything but swell.

People are disappointed.

Re: Windows on New Macbook Pro Permanently Damages Speaker Due to Poor Drivers

#18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, the GPU issues - but like you said they didn't manifest themselves right away. I got hit by the 2011 MBP issue a year or so in. I had to buy a new laptop because Apple didn't issue the repair order until well after my AppleCare expired and I wasn't going to pay $500+ for the repair not knowing whether Apple would eventually pick up the tab.

It took 4 years for the GPU in my 2011 MBP to die. Apple still covers GPU repairs on those models (or at least they did in 2015). They refused service on my laptop because I had upgraded the hard drive (to an SSD) and RAM (upgraded to 16 Gigs). I pointed out that the user's manual for the 2011 Macbook Pro specifically says that upgrading these components does not void the warranty for the entire machine, just that Ap…

I was in a very similar boat to you.

Mine died right (weeks) after my AppleCare ended.

Because a local authorized Apple dealer would fix it without an appointment (vs the local Apple Store), I took mine there.

I did upgrades too, but I always keep my original RAM and HD in case I get a nitpicky tech. I stuffed those in there (with a fresh OS install) when I sent it for repair and had no issue.

A friend of mine who has two of the same models but were not bricked yet - he had mixed experience at the Apple store. For his first one which was glitching badly, the Genius gave him a hard time because it was not glitching at the store (in spite of the repair order not indicating that the issue needed reproducing). They ended up fixing it, but not without causing stress to my friend.

My friend then repaired the second one right before the repair order was ending but did not get a hard time from the Apple Store for that one.

Because I had to choose between spending $500 on replacing a board (I already had replaced mine once under AppleCare - they basically just put a new version of the defective board in, and it started glitching in less than 3 mos) or spending a little more on a new laptop, I opted for the latter. And at that point, I was officially on the path off of OSX.

I would have stuck around if Apple issued the repair order sooner (i.e., before my MBP bricked). Apple historically has had a great reputation for making people whole again. Given how much I spent on my 2011 MBP, I expected better, sooner.

Re: Windows on New Macbook Pro Permanently Damages Speaker Due to Poor Drivers

#19
post #2

Why does the bios/firmware have no safeguard against this? Imagine a rogue program or virus damaging your hardware, even on OS X. Also, the headline is jumping to conclusions, this is what the poster wrote: " It is unclear what the source is, but most people are suspecting the deprecated audio driver on Windows."

Well, that makes up for an interesting ransomware - you have 48h to pay up 4 btc or your shiny new mbp hardware will get borked.

Re: Windows on New Macbook Pro Permanently Damages Speaker Due to Poor Drivers

#20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, the GPU issues - but like you said they didn't manifest themselves right away. I got hit by the 2011 MBP issue a year or so in. I had to buy a new laptop because Apple didn't issue the repair order until well after my AppleCare expired and I wasn't going to pay $500+ for the repair not knowing whether Apple would eventually pick up the tab.

It took 4 years for the GPU in my 2011 MBP to die. Apple still covers GPU repairs on those models (or at least they did in 2015). They refused service on my laptop because I had upgraded the hard drive (to an SSD) and RAM (upgraded to 16 Gigs). I pointed out that the user's manual for the 2011 Macbook Pro specifically says that upgrading these components does not void the warranty for the entire machine, just that Ap…

That's odd. I also upgraded my 2011 MacBook Pro to an ssd and 16 gigs of ram, and I had my logicbaord replaced under their extended repair program last month. The Apple Store guy even offered to repair it in the store to make sure my modifications weren't altered.
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