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Why do you think Seattle's growth in housing costs is sustainable? Certainly the cost increases in single family detached units have been large and rapid. My naive interpretation of that would be that such increases are a) unlikely to continue indefinitely and b) are pushing demand for 2+br apartments to unusually high levels. That's weakly supported by this data, which show a 6.4% increase in 1br prices and 8.2% for…
seattle has more growth counted in the number of construction cranes than any city in the us. prices of standlone houses seem to be increasing, apartment pricing is less clear, but this article seems to know.
Rents are plunging in the most expensive U.S. markets
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No, no it's not. I live in Launceston, Tasmania - population approx. 100,000 people. living in LA/SF/NYC is a luxury that people pay a premium for. Yeah nah. I don't really follow this. Unless you consider terrible traffic and less than idea air quality luxuries . Having said that, I did live in Adelaide for 13 years. Okay, I'm being too critical, too inflammatory. Big cities bring people together in a pretty special…
Yeah nah. I don't really follow this. Unless you consider terrible traffic and less than idea air quality luxuries. Having said that, I did live in Adelaide for 13 years. It's a fact, not a matter of opinion. People definitely do pay a premium for the luxury of living in LA/SF/NYC. Just look at the rents as you move further away from the center of the cities. You and I may argue whether it's worth paying that premium…
Definitely an opinion.
that people pay a premium for.
That's a fact.
People definitely pay a premium for living in or close to big cities. Whether it's a luxury is entirely a matter of opinion.
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Is your $215k Aussie house in close to town in Sydney, Melbourne or Brisbane? There are plenty of cheap houses in America too, living in LA/SF/NYC is a luxury that people pay a premium for.
It's interesting that a lot of people act like living in those big cities is a necessity rather than the luxury that you've pointed out it really is.
In my opinion it's a trade off between quality of life vs. the opportunities that exist in big cities.
Of course, quality of life is subjective.
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What about better career opportunities?
What about them? This is a question that deserves a long, complicated, reasoned answer, but it's generally asked as though it's already the answer. I'll just say for brevity that people (especially young professionals) drastically underestimate 1) the amount of opportunities there are in other, smaller cities and 2) the quality of life that's possible on lower salaries in those cities.
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The loan repayments on my three bedroom house are AU$47 a day, or about US$35. ($215,000 purchase price in 2016).
The all-in daily cost for my mother's South St. Louis City bungalow is $16.50. That includes mortgage repayment, property taxes, and insurance on a conventional 30-year loan with 20% down. She lives in a structurally intact, solidly working-class portion of the city. The point is that a lot of people don't want to live in a South St. Louis City bungalow. (By the way, I think a lot of the snobbery around this is misgu…
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#346Currently I am in Toronto, paying CAD$1400 for a rent controlled one bedroom downtown that I have been in for over a decade. Current market price for same is CAD$1700, but this includes a flood of new condo units more luxurious than mine.
Toronto is looking good in comparison to US cities. It has all the amenities of SF, Seattle or Boston, though the IT salaries are not as high. Plus, no Republicans.
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I thought we were talking about rent levels not home prices! Again how does low rates drive up rents? Keep in mind that very few people borrow to pay rent while most apartments and their construction is financed by debt. At first approximation low rates would be neutral for demand but positive for supply.
Rent prices and house prices are linked. The more houses people buy to live in, the supply for houses for rent lowers. People that had property renting out see a higher return by just selling their property, reducing the supply for the rental market. How strong is that correlation, i don't know. There could be other demographic factors like people moving to cities more and more (SF still has a huge influx of people).
Surely the demand for rental properties lowers by the same amount when someone buys a house.
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Yeah nah. I don't really follow this. Unless you consider terrible traffic and less than idea air quality luxuries. Having said that, I did live in Adelaide for 13 years. It's a fact, not a matter of opinion. People definitely do pay a premium for the luxury of living in LA/SF/NYC. Just look at the rents as you move further away from the center of the cities. You and I may argue whether it's worth paying that premium…
living in LA/SF/NYC is a luxury Definitely an opinion. that people pay a premium for. That's a fact. People definitely pay a premium for living in or close to big cities. Whether it's a luxury is entirely a matter of opinion.
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I've read Yelp reviews on a previous 2/2 in San Mateo. $2600 at that point, one review had a price listed a few years back (~2011), ended up being near 20% increase year over year. Also heard of the U-Haul stories of where there was none left in the bay because everyone moved out. Don't think that's going to happen this time around. Think that start ups, or at least their employees will be acquired into bigger/more s…
20% YoY increases is about right in boom times. My rent increased by about $300/month/year from 2011-2014, then has been roughly stable since then. It was stable from 2009-2011 though. In 2009, most of the startups were really small Web 2.0 outfits with 2-6 employees. However, the big companies were laying off people, and very few companies were hiring. I was initially going to apply to E-Bay/PayPal (I had a contact…
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living in LA/SF/NYC is a luxury Definitely an opinion. that people pay a premium for. That's a fact. People definitely pay a premium for living in or close to big cities. Whether it's a luxury is entirely a matter of opinion.
So you don't agree that 6-bedroom mansions, expensive sports cars, and having a high-paying job are luxuries?
Sure they sound luxurious until you realise you have to pay for them, which is why you'll need the high-paying job.
I'm just saying that it is possible to be comfortable outside a huge city and not owning cars I'd be worried about scratching.
People have different tastes.