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Re: India is displaying classic signs that foreshadow fascism

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Post by sremani »

yolesaber wrote: post #38
throwanem wrote: post #11

Judging by this article and others, "alt-right" seems to be turning into another way of saying "politics I don't like and wish weren't taken seriously" - not that it ever referred to any particularly coherent movement in the first place, but those in the media can't seem to further dilute the label quickly enough, and even those who formerly adopted it seem to be starting to move away. As for the actual subject matte…

>Judging by this article and others, "alt-right" seems to be turning into another way of saying "politics I don't like and wish weren't taken seriously" - not that it ever referred to any particularly coherent movement in the first place, but those in the media can't seem to further dilute the label quickly enough, and even those who formerly adopted it seem to be starting to move away. The term "alt-right" was coine…

No Hindu is not an ethnicity, and RSS has more in common with say, Ayatollahs or Erdogan than with Hitler or Stalin. Every strain of populism even the religious kind is not fascism. Before declaring India a fascist state you have 50 some "Islamic Republics" that fit the bill of your definition of fascism.

edit: India is some how a fascist country for having a democratically elected right-wing party, but countries with Official state religions are not. I will drink your down votes, please keep them coming.

Re: India is displaying classic signs that foreshadow fascism

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Post by EvilTerran »

middleclick wrote: post #57
neigel_f wrote: post #37

Seems like HN people has a lot of Pro Congress people in them. How long are you gonna keep the narrative of that one riot and say Modi did that and sweep away hundreds of bloodbath across India under various Leftist and "Secular" party ruled states. I think it's not very romantic to report these facts in international media. God these self declared Liberals are everywhere, from New York Times, CNN, BBC, Huffington Po…

Just to be clear, this is another new account, barely an hour old. Is it possible to flag such accounts?

In the comment header, click the " ago" next to the username - that takes you to the "permalink" page for the comment, which (if your account has enough points) has a "flag" link on it.

Re: India is displaying classic signs that foreshadow fascism

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Post by sremani »

owaislone wrote: post #23
flawedluck wrote: post #17

Modi isn't inspired by Nazis, neither is he an anti-Muslim. The author is just making a big deal of small things and quoting things out of context. "Protesting students?- Anti-nationalist". Yeah except the student was protesting against the hanging of a cruel terrorist. "Appeal to social frustration" - makes no sense. India is special in this case in no way. "Craves heroic death" - We do make a big deal when someone…

> The author is just making a big deal of small things and quoting things out of context. .. and that's exactly what people should do to make sure we don't repeat the mistakes of the past. Ignoring the seemingly small things is what leads to much bigger issues. History has taught us this again and again. It's not a pointless rant but a careful warning of what can happen. Let me guess. Whatever dangers the author expo…

India can afford a Stalin (we already had one wannabe, his name is Sanjay Gandhi), but not a Hitler. Because India is not a ethnically cohesive state. Now, people talking about fascism in India are doing some lazy extrapolation. If RSS has their vision, you end up in Hindu Republic theocratic state, a weird Hindu version of Pakistan, not some gas chambers. People of India should be more worried about Statist and Stalinist figures like Mamata Banerji, J Jayalalitha, who are more autocratic than Modi ever will be.

Re: India is displaying classic signs that foreshadow fascism

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Post by NotACongitard »

middleclick wrote: post #55
NotACongitard wrote: post #54

Well, we know how "well developed" commie ruled states in India (West Bengal and Kerala). One of them is a failed state, they both have been turned into islamic terrorist sleeper cells just for commie/secular vote bank.

Wrong. Kerala has the highest HDI in the country. The highest literacy rate. And the first in the country to be open defecation free. I mean your right-wing bias is pretty clear with your HN username and that is fine, but lies are not. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kerala

When I meant "one of them is a failed state", I was referring to West Bengal. But, both states are breeding grounds for terrorists anyway.

Re: India is displaying classic signs that foreshadow fascism

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Post by NotACongitard »

middleclick wrote: post #56
amriksohata wrote: post #7

What a load of bollocks this is exactly why the right has triumphed in America and Europe, the dumbass left continue their pursuit of identity politics which will wipe them out.

I see a lot of new accounts for this specific thread. Is the BJP IT team working overtime?

Just like commies and pseudo-seculars are working overtime in mudslinging Indian government. Are you one of them?

Re: India is displaying classic signs that foreshadow fascism

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Post by [deleted] »

sremani wrote: post #61
yolesaber wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Judging by this article and others, "alt-right" seems to be turning into another way of saying "politics I don't like and wish weren't taken seriously" - not that it ever referred to any particularly coherent movement in the first place, but those in the media can't seem to further dilute the label quickly enough, and even those who formerly adopted it seem to be starting to move away. The term "alt-right" was coine…

No Hindu is not an ethnicity, and RSS has more in common with say, Ayatollahs or Erdogan than with Hitler or Stalin. Every strain of populism even the religious kind is not fascism. Before declaring India a fascist state you have 50 some "Islamic Republics" that fit the bill of your definition of fascism. edit: India is some how a fascist country for having a democratically elected right-wing party, but countries wit…

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Re: India is displaying classic signs that foreshadow fascism

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Post by pkd »

Yeah, no. I guess yes, if you consider any implementation of a far reaching policy in a democracy to be fascist.

I have thought a lot about this. And I think that the western media seems have a genetic dislike for popular leaders. I guess the UK/US media expects their country's leaders to be Eton/Harvard boys who maintain an air of separation from the common population. Anytime a leader tries to get close to the public opinion, they are roasted for being populist/jingoistic etc.

Narendra Modi has been an extremely popular leader, even before he became the Prime Minister. He was re-elected twice for the post of the Chief Minister of the state of Gujarat (and this was after the opposition tried to brand him as the key perpetrator in the 2002 riots.). Under him Gujarat became the fastest growing state of the country, and a lucrative destination for industries. His inclination towards industrialization was later used against him as an argument for his collusion with the "crony capitalists".

But Modi has ignored all the rubbish against him and carried on working. He works 18 hours every day. The greatest change in his rule has been the focus on making the bureaucracy to work instead of sleep, as it has been doing for the last 40 years.

I am not a huge supporter of his party, and I hate fascists with all my heart, and I can say that Modi has been good for the country. His policies have broken through a lot of bad fungus that had settled on the country in the multiple decades of INC lead rule. And it is refreshing to witness.

Western media can go court their Trumps and Farages. We are fine here.

Re: India is displaying classic signs that foreshadow fascism

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Post by throwawayIndian »

jangid wrote: post #42
throwawayIndian wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is a fact that Modi encouraged killing of Muslim families to catapult himself at centerstage politics. One of his cabinet ministers is even a convicted murderer!, of his own colleague in office: research on home minister Haren Pandya.

Supreme Court of India discharged Mr. Modi, that too under blood thirsty Congress government. What other proofs are required. Because of Gujarat governments support, free trial could have been conducted. Its own minister was convicted. Give me another such example. Ex-minister served the punishment under the government of his own political party.

It's nice you mention the supreme courts of India here. Notice, they also discharged(?) Salman Khan of Bollywood for his 2006 road kills! It's almost a joke when you use SC to say that your PM/candidate doesn't have a questionable past.

I'm fairly certain that you'll also fail to accept the fact that Modi was the mastermind of a series of murders including that of his own cabinet minister Haren Pandya following the events in 2002.

Re: India is displaying classic signs that foreshadow fascism

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Post by throwawayIndian »

jangid wrote: post #39
throwawayIndian wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> it's really funny to see outside columnists trying to paint broad generalizations of Indian politics. It is anything but funny. In ways similar to the rhetoric "Should everyone else go to Pakistan?".

Funny. Rhetorics are being referred to call a state "fascist".

Yeah similar to how columnists with alternative views are called "outside columnists" -- us and them -- or sometimes deshdrohis. Many Indians fail to see the reality in chasm of words.

Re: India is displaying classic signs that foreshadow fascism

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Post by Latty »

Shivetya wrote: post #25
Latty wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've seen this a lot recently. 'identity politics' is an odd thing to accuse the left of. While the right continually fights to disadvantage groups of people (or keep them disadvantaged), they claim the left is focusing too much on those groups when they fight back. I'm sure that if they had not been trying to hard to paint slaves not as people, but as chattel, the slave owners in the past would have called abolition…

you really need to study up on it. It is not about trying to disadvantage groups, it is all about using the identity of a group to defend any actions or positions they take. Worse is when it is applied to candidates for office because every disagreement with that candidate is taken instead as an attack on them because of their race, religion, sex, and orientation. It is a shameless exploitation that the left has cham…

You think that just because I disagree with you I haven't looked into it? While what you are describing does sometimes happen, the idea that it's the primary mode of operation, or even a significant one outside the fringe of the left, does not match what I see.

People can, and do, discuss these issues without being called bigots or racists, people can, and do, attack minority candidates for their policies.

That said, if you disagree that people, regardless of race, religion (or lack thereof), sex, orientation, etc... deserve the same basic rights, damn straight the left will call that out.

This attempt to push this idea that the left is wrong for pointing out discrimination is an attempt to push fear into the hearts of the privileged. I am one of those classic straight while males that should apparently be so fearful - but I'm not, because I don't see this attack. We want to allow people the same rights we already have! How is that an attack? How is that 'special rights'?

There are no 'special rights' being granted - just the same rights you and I have. That isn't a cost to us, it lifts us all up.

Yes, there are the minority few who will claim any attack on a black person is because they are black - and that is wrong and gets called out in the rare case it happens. It is not a common or powerful viewpoint.

Yes, the right does try to disadvantage groups. Look at the voter suppression by closing polling stations in areas with high minority populations, look at the fight against marriage equality, against the right to choose. All of these are aimed at pushing certain groups (minorities, LGTBQ, women) down. Pointing this out and trying to help those people get or maintain the rights we already have (I can get out and vote, I can marry who I want) is not 'identity politics'.

Either you are buying into this fear - which you shouldn't, because this is a positive thing, or you just don't want your ability to discriminate to get taken away.

I'm not saying there are not people wrong on the left, or people who don't understand the issues and propose poor solutions - speaking out against those people doesn't make you a bigot. Discussing these things to understand them doesn't make you a bigot. We don't want people to be bigots, we are not pushing for that, but we can't tolerate the denial of people's basic rights. That's unacceptable, and we will not be 'shamed' by this crazy fear.

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